Jack was 15 minutes late without the manners to call ahead and let anyone know about it

[2010/02/18 10:58] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat…

[2010/02/18 10:58] Connected

[2010/02/18 10:59] Jude Towton: Easier than asking, sorry folks, take a look if you want, at those

[2010/02/18 11:00] Arwen Daviau: hope i didnt sit on anyones lap, lol

[2010/02/18 11:00] Melody Regent: You can sit on me Arwen

[2010/02/18 11:00] Jude Towton: Snall report on the non effectiveness of the “Adult” polcy

[2010/02/18 11:00] Arwen Daviau: grins.. hey Melody how are you

[2010/02/18 11:00] APinkSwan Beauchamp has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:00] Cynianne Hellershanks: sheesh, this sim has no script time left

[2010/02/18 11:00] Melody Regent: I am good M’Lady, how are you doing?

[2010/02/18 11:01] Arwen Daviau: doing well… Rhage sends his love

[2010/02/18 11:01] Jude Towton: Jack isnt inworld yet :-/

[2010/02/18 11:01] Cynianne Hellershanks: how is this a surprise Jude?

[2010/02/18 11:01] Jude Towton: It isnt

[2010/02/18 11:01] Melody Regent: Tell him I send mine. I really need to call him, he has not gotten a 2 am call from me in a while

[2010/02/18 11:01] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 11:01] Jude Towton: But it’s as “proofy” as I can get

[2010/02/18 11:01] Arwen Daviau: haha.. it keeps him on his toes

[2010/02/18 11:01] Chavi Skomoroklov has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:02] Chavi Skomoroklov: hello all!

[2010/02/18 11:02] APinkSwan Beauchamp: Okay, if someone is sitting here and I sit on you….not my fault.

[2010/02/18 11:02] MissMissy Moonbeam: hi Chavi

[2010/02/18 11:02] Chavi Skomoroklov: i guess i am sitting on someone’s lap now?

[2010/02/18 11:02] Arwen Daviau: yep

[2010/02/18 11:03] Arwen Daviau: nice to meet ya

[2010/02/18 11:03] Arwen Daviau: lol

[2010/02/18 11:03] Jude Towton: I wanna sit on someone lap, AND wiggle

[2010/02/18 11:03] Chavi Skomoroklov: hi Arwen, as soon as i see you i will decide if i get up, ok?

[2010/02/18 11:03] Dahlea Milena waves hi to everyone, my first meeting, be gentle

[2010/02/18 11:03] Arwen Daviau:

[2010/02/18 11:03] Melody Regent: Jack is not even online and Patch, the SIgn Boy is not here either

[2010/02/18 11:03] Jude Towton: *sighs*

[2010/02/18 11:04] Jude Towton: Signboy comes late

[2010/02/18 11:04] Melodie Darwin has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:04] Chavi Skomoroklov: should we go into voice?

[2010/02/18 11:04] Melody Regent: Yes, cuase our time is not valuable enought to let us know BEFORE hand

[2010/02/18 11:04] Chavi Skomoroklov: hey Melody!

[2010/02/18 11:04] Melody Regent: Heya Chavi, how are you hun?

[2010/02/18 11:04] Arwen Daviau: anyone have tomato’s to throw?

[2010/02/18 11:04] Jude Towton: I’ve about had it with them. Gessh a sign, how hard is that?

[2010/02/18 11:04] Chavi Skomoroklov: great thanks!

[2010/02/18 11:05] Cynianne Hellershanks: Hey Melody, dont you know we are all here to just play nd have nothing better to do?

[2010/02/18 11:05] Melody Regent: Let me call someone and see what they say

[2010/02/18 11:05] Alexxa Despres: hi everyone )

[2010/02/18 11:05] Melody Regent: Ooops Cyn, I may have missed that memo, my bad

[2010/02/18 11:05] MissMissy Moonbeam: hi Alexxa

[2010/02/18 11:05] Arwen Daviau: yell for all of us Melody

[2010/02/18 11:05] Alexxa Despres: <<would say ‘nice to see you’ but I can’t see you yet ;-P

[2010/02/18 11:05] Melody Regent: You know I will!

[2010/02/18 11:05] MissMissy Moonbeam: lol

[2010/02/18 11:05] Dahlea Milena: Hi Charlene

[2010/02/18 11:06] Melody Regent: Hello Miss Charlene

[2010/02/18 11:06] Jude Towton: Big turnout, what’s the general occasion?

[2010/02/18 11:06] Mendelssohn Andel has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:06] Alexxa Despres: Jude..it’s my party…. did you bring a pressie?

[2010/02/18 11:06] Alexxa Despres:

[2010/02/18 11:06] Melody Regent: yes… and Mr Linden isnt here

[2010/02/18 11:06] Jude Towton: Oops!

[2010/02/18 11:06] Alexxa Despres: LOL…..teasing

[2010/02/18 11:06] Cynianne Hellershanks: while you are at it Melody, tell them to hire me to control script time on their sims, even before all these people got here it was at 0.0

[2010/02/18 11:06] Viva Villiers has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:06] Jude Towton: I guess I didnt get the invite

[2010/02/18 11:06] Qie Niangao has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:07] Hollywood Topaz has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:07] Chaley May: I wonder if this will be a difficult office hour for Jack

[2010/02/18 11:07] Jude Towton: seriosuly, wow, is there something going on this week, all these peole?

[2010/02/18 11:07] Melody Regent: THere was nothing announced this week that should make it hard on him

[2010/02/18 11:08] Youri Ashton has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:08] Chaley May: Linden Homes

[2010/02/18 11:08] Cynianne Hellershanks: According to the Lindens in the forunms, there are several office hour times so that all may “participate

[2010/02/18 11:08] Chaley May: people here might be againbst it

[2010/02/18 11:08] Melody Regent: Here is the official word “I’ll send him a message, I haven;t heard anyhting so far :/”

[2010/02/18 11:08] Charlene Trudeau giggles

[2010/02/18 11:08] Charlene Trudeau: why? did you read the list of thou shalt nots?

[2010/02/18 11:08] Chaley May: Prokofy might be against it and that would be enough trouble for any linden to handle

[2010/02/18 11:08] Charlene Trudeau: better advertising for how great my areas are can’t be had

[2010/02/18 11:09] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I agree, Charlene…:)

[2010/02/18 11:09] Chaley May: has Linden Homes affected anyones business here so far?

[2010/02/18 11:09] Melody Regent: I got chastized a few weeks ago for commenting on what my “THOUGHTS” might be on the new pricing announcment. Wonder if I should say anythng now for fear that a Linden will say more

[2010/02/18 11:09] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 11:09] Cynianne Hellershanks: lol

[2010/02/18 11:09] Prokofy Neva: how would you be able to tell if it affected your business only a day after it went into effect?

[2010/02/18 11:10] Melody Regent: I dont think the linden homes are a threat at all, they dont offer enough perks or controls.

[2010/02/18 11:10] Prokofy Neva: it’s not like prospective customers will IM you and say, “I was going to rent with you but I switched to Linden homes”

[2010/02/18 11:10] Basta Tracy: someone asked me if he can pay less on my sim, because of the free land he can have

[2010/02/18 11:10] Chaley May: maybe sales in that 1 day was lower than ever lol

[2010/02/18 11:10] Prokofy Neva: of course they’re a threat, they are just not a threat to YOU the queen of Concierge with your private islands, that’s all that’s about

[2010/02/18 11:10] Cynianne Hellershanks: have you seen the Linden homes? Outy flame, sheesh, lag monsters

[2010/02/18 11:10] Hollywood Topaz: but he has to pay for full membership

[2010/02/18 11:10] Ciaran Laval: Desmond isn’t exactly cock-a-hoop about them so there are concerns with estate owners too

[2010/02/18 11:11] Chaley May: I dont own any lands

[2010/02/18 11:11] Cynianne Hellershanks: cant say cock

[2010/02/18 11:11] Basta Tracy: i want a land there. i set on my house….if u want out of this …talk to me

[2010/02/18 11:11] Melody Regent: They are only a threat to those that offer exclusive 512 lots, crammed together, with few land rights, and no privacy. ANyone else should not see much of an issue

[2010/02/18 11:11] Prokofy Neva: it’s very much a threat to mainland, especially with prima donna’s like Mystress Breiz on the forums telling everyone that landlords haven’t “gotten” it that people “want neighbours”. Gosh, who knew, that’s why they buy islands instead of mainland, they want so many neighbours

[2010/02/18 11:11] Hollywood Topaz: and a lot of patients to teach

[2010/02/18 11:11] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I am sure many of us will use the comparison in our marketing…:)

[2010/02/18 11:11] Cynianne Hellershanks: My my, name calling already and Jack isnt even here

[2010/02/18 11:11] Alexxa Despres: Hi Equi ;’)

[2010/02/18 11:12] Alexxa Despres: Hi Dennis

[2010/02/18 11:12] Qie Niangao has left the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:12] Equinox Pinion: hi all

[2010/02/18 11:12] Dennis Lagan: hi

[2010/02/18 11:12] Chavi Skomoroklov: hey Equinox

[2010/02/18 11:12] Chavi Skomoroklov: hi Dennis

[2010/02/18 11:12] Prokofy Neva: Er, no dear, it’s not about “crammed together,” because there’d be no sense in offering 512s with all kinds of unsold space around them, you can’t put too much space to empty, truly, it’s OK to have newbie areas that are crowded in that they aren’t locked down maximum security humper bunkers

[2010/02/18 11:12] Qie Niangao has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:12] Equinox Pinion: wow chavi!

[2010/02/18 11:12] Zida Sabra: ㋡ ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello hi hola *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆ ㋡

[2010/02/18 11:12] Zida Sabra: Equinox=)

[2010/02/18 11:12] Melody Regent: We can just let him have his name calling session

[2010/02/18 11:12] Zida Sabra: sorry

[2010/02/18 11:12] Hollywood Topaz: lol

[2010/02/18 11:13] Arwen Daviau: so Melody is he coming ? What they say…

[2010/02/18 11:13] Prokofy Neva: Desmond is just posturing, he doesn’t care really, he wants to strike a pose

[2010/02/18 11:13] Cynianne Hellershanks turns sounds off

[2010/02/18 11:13] Melody Regent: APinkSwan, did you get a Linden Home yet?

[2010/02/18 11:13] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I did, yes.

[2010/02/18 11:13] Arwen Daviau: i applied for one

[2010/02/18 11:13] Melody Regent: TJ will check on him

[2010/02/18 11:13] Arwen Daviau: havent gotten one yet

[2010/02/18 11:13] Equinox Pinion: geeez..dont tell me jack is not here again lol

[2010/02/18 11:13] Charlene Trudeau: I verified its one per premium account, regardless of human behind them

[2010/02/18 11:13] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Hello Evereyone , was reading up..:))

[2010/02/18 11:13] Charlene Trudeau: so I have two

[2010/02/18 11:13] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I can’t compare if I don’t know what I am comparing to.

[2010/02/18 11:13] Cynianne Hellershanks: They dont have any goth houses, I looked

[2010/02/18 11:13] APinkSwan Beauchamp: Have you, Mel?

[2010/02/18 11:14] Melody Regent: I will go get one today, will be cool to have a place to *hide*

[2010/02/18 11:14] Dahlea Milena: I got one

[2010/02/18 11:14] APinkSwan Beauchamp: omg…A goth house would be soooo awesome!

[2010/02/18 11:14] Cynianne Hellershanks: they dont have them

[2010/02/18 11:14] Dahlea Milena: put in for it yesteray & had it within 3 mins

[2010/02/18 11:14] Youri Ashton has left the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:14] Cynianne Hellershanks: just cute for fantasy

[2010/02/18 11:14] Prokofy Neva: Ciaran is another one ranting about how they pose no competition to existing rentals, honestly, you should work for the Lindens

[2010/02/18 11:14] Melody Regent: I was thinking one of those little asian places

[2010/02/18 11:14] Arwen Daviau: they said they will email me but i never got one

[2010/02/18 11:14] Qie Niangao: just in case we know the answer: has anybody learned where (or if) the textures for Linden Homes will be distributed?

[2010/02/18 11:14] Basta Tracy: can someone give me a lm. i want see this linden homes too please

[2010/02/18 11:14] Chaley May: my friend got their linden home in a few minutes too

[2010/02/18 11:14] Melody Regent: I have a kimono I can wear

[2010/02/18 11:14] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 11:15] Dahlea Milena: that’s what I got Melody, one of the asian ones

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: Arwen, look in your MY LAND

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: might sow there

[2010/02/18 11:15] Cynianne Hellershanks: Basta, look at the sl home page

[2010/02/18 11:15] Ciaran Laval: They made a strange reference to “our merchants” Qie, I’ve seen nothing since

[2010/02/18 11:15] Dahlea Milena: I got park front, nice & open in front of me

[2010/02/18 11:15] Jack Linden has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:15] Jack Linden is Online

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: What sim Dahlea

[2010/02/18 11:15] Greywolf Moonlight: I would still find ya, Mel…lol

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: [11:15] Jack Linden has entered the sim.

[11:15] Jack Linden is Online

[2010/02/18 11:15] Daniel Voyager shouts: Hey Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] APinkSwan Beauchamp: They don’t pose a threat to the larger rentals, but may to the smaller ones. Having said that, and having one now, you can use it in your marketing.

[2010/02/18 11:15] Dytska Vieria has 2 waterfronts

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: yes Grye, damn you, You would!!!

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 11:15] Qie Niangao: Greetings, Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] Chavi Skomoroklov: YAY! \o/

[2010/02/18 11:15] Alexxa Despres: GHi ya Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] Cynianne Hellershanks: Greetings Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] APinkSwan Beauchamp: It was a great business move by LL and now those in smaller rentals, etc. have to adjust.

[2010/02/18 11:15] Dahlea Milena: Tanaka

[2010/02/18 11:15] Jack Linden: hey guys.. so sorry i’m so late.

[2010/02/18 11:15] Greywolf Moonlight: hi, Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] Equinox Pinion: Hi jack

[2010/02/18 11:16] Cynianne Hellershanks looks at her linden clock

[2010/02/18 11:16] 00 Dover: hello jack

[2010/02/18 11:16] wildorchid Fairymeadow: hello Jack

[2010/02/18 11:16] Melody Regent: Hello Jack, did you forget that you had 40 people waiting at your ‘normal’ office hours?

[2010/02/18 11:16] Zeebster Colasanti: hello Jack. first question: do you think that being 15 minutes late is a good display of your respect for the SL business community?

[2010/02/18 11:16] Charlene Trudeau: hi jack

[2010/02/18 11:16] Jack Linden: today has been a little intense and I got caught up. apologies

[2010/02/18 11:16] Ciaran Laval: Caught in the snow Jack?

[2010/02/18 11:16] Alexxa Despres: I was thunking Traffic , Ciaran

[2010/02/18 11:16] Alexxa Despres: thinking too

[2010/02/18 11:16] Jack Linden: not snow! more like fog.. as i’m still in SF at the moment

[2010/02/18 11:16] Cynianne Hellershanks: Every day is a bit intense for our businesses

[2010/02/18 11:16] Dahlea Milena: hello Jack, fiber optics rush hour traffic?

[2010/02/18 11:16] Equinox Pinion: and not shoing up 3 times doesnt show you really care about us either

[2010/02/18 11:16] Jack Linden: never seen fog like it. it’s kinda amazing actually

[2010/02/18 11:17] Dennis Lagan: well, according to everything you always announce, and the time it is ready at the end, i believe the past year was a little bussy

[2010/02/18 11:17] Jack Linden: Equinox, I try my best to be here each week – i’m truly sorry that i’m late.

[2010/02/18 11:17] Melody Regent: Thank you Zeebster. At the very least letting someone know would show respect. If I am going to be even a few minutes late, I call ahead to let my appointment know about it

[2010/02/18 11:18] Prokofy Neva: So jack explain again the part where you don’t think Linden homes competes with your own customers, especially landlords on the mainland with newbie villages, especially as you have all the advertising capacity and free houses and extra prims and such

[2010/02/18 11:18] Jack Linden: Hey Prokofy.. I think we covered that some on the blog post but am happy to talk about it here too..

[2010/02/18 11:18] Cynianne Hellershanks: and then explain why with script limits being imposed on us why Linden Land was at 0.0 when only 5 avatars were here

[2010/02/18 11:18] Prokofy Neva: And where you really give away your hand is in the Knowledge Base, where you encourage people if they want some larger land parcels and prims to go buy mainland or buy or rent island, but you don’t mention that you can rent mainland, so you rig it there clearly

[2010/02/18 11:19] Jack Linden: We’re super sensitive to the issue of competition. But we’re also very clear on the role we have in bringing in new residents and getting them involved with land, content etc

[2010/02/18 11:19] Prokofy Neva: well are you going to attempt to measure that metric? I mean, if newbies going to Community Gateways actually retain WORSE than going elsewhere, what are your goals?

[2010/02/18 11:19] Prokofy Neva: well we’d be very clear on our role doing that if we had the advertise opportunities you have

[2010/02/18 11:20] Zorro Amat: Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2010/02/18 11:20] Zorro Amat: calm

[2010/02/18 11:20] Prokofy Neva: Is Linden Lab’s objective to shake loose the landlords?

[2010/02/18 11:20] Zorro Amat: one for time !!!!

[2010/02/18 11:20] Jack Linden: We are measuring every aspect of Linden Homes and how they impact estates, mainland and the content folks. We have built all of that into the program so we will have very good understanding of the effects

[2010/02/18 11:20] Prokofy Neva: stop it Zorro, just type a question if you have one and stop berating other people

[2010/02/18 11:20] Zeebster Colasanti: so what are the effects that you have measured so far?

[2010/02/18 11:20] Melody Regent: How are you measuring that Jack? By what means?

[2010/02/18 11:20] Cynianne Hellershanks: Measure is not reasurring, Jack, when feedback is ignored because a plan is already in place

[2010/02/18 11:21] Chaley May: have signups for premium accounts increased since yesterday?

[2010/02/18 11:21] Jack Linden: I also want to be in a position to share that information over time, because the aim here is a longer term one than simply giving existing premiums a house. It’s about creating that flow of customers for rentals and resident made experiences

[2010/02/18 11:21] Cynianne Hellershanks: Can the Land store handle enough land to give every premium acct holder a space?

[2010/02/18 11:21] Prokofy Neva: not if you can’t bother to even write what opportunities there are in the Knowledge Base

[2010/02/18 11:21] Jack Linden: let me just read back a moment… to see the comments so far..

[2010/02/18 11:21] Prokofy Neva: when I filed a ticket about that, I just get flak and get told to join the wonky queue editing the wiki woo

[2010/02/18 11:22] Cynianne Hellershanks: who can find their way thru the morass of the Knowledge base?

[2010/02/18 11:22] Balpien Hammerer: /(waiting for slow rezz to complete)

[2010/02/18 11:22] Prokofy Neva: Lindens force users there constantly and it has a lot of clicks and references, especially with Answers running now as it does, so they should at least make that page reflect the options accurately and do it themselves instead of telling me to wrestle editing queues

[2010/02/18 11:22] Ciaran Laval: Who are you giving the textures to Jack?

[2010/02/18 11:22] Jack Linden: So far we’re not seeing much churn, by which i mean that the people taking Linden Homes are using existing spare tier or tiering up, rather than swapping existing land for the homes. We had a lot of Premiums who were not using their 512 at all, and not renting.

[2010/02/18 11:22] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I think if you do it right, you can certainly compete with the Linden homes. Rental and/or sales companies here have far more to offer.

[2010/02/18 11:23] Charlene Trudeau: like personal customer service and some teaching ability

[2010/02/18 11:23] APinkSwan Beauchamp: Exactly, Charlene.

[2010/02/18 11:23] Prokofy Neva: that’s right APink, blame the victim, make it seem as if businesses just aren’t nimble enough, or cool enough or evolved enough in the Schumpeterian world to succeed, when Linden keeps competing with their customers

[2010/02/18 11:24] Chaley May: but Linden Homes will almost certainly conquer the market for 512sqm and even 1024 sqm homes

[2010/02/18 11:24] Hollywood Topaz: There is a pattern that new residents follow as well

[2010/02/18 11:24] Prokofy Neva: well that’s my market, and that’s why I pose these questions, given that Linden already destroyed the mainland sales businesses by land glutting

[2010/02/18 11:24] Cynianne Hellershanks: Customer service is suffering badly as we tend to know more than the CSRS

[2010/02/18 11:24] Hollywood Topaz: they will venture out to purchase larger areas with more prims in a matter of months

[2010/02/18 11:24] Prokofy Neva: also with homesteads being a better buy than a 8192 with the same number of prims

[2010/02/18 11:24] Jack Linden: Prokofy, we intend to do a number of key things there including allowing sme forms of advertising and upward promotion so that Linden Home owners can know the wider possibilities as they learn more about the value of owning land.. that sort of flow of residents up the food chan is important

[2010/02/18 11:25] Jack Linden: Some of that will be very direct ways to advertise and we’ll be talking more about that very soon actually

[2010/02/18 11:25] Prokofy Neva: well Jack, nothing short of on-demand advertising openings like the old telehub that are visible in central locations like the Elderglen infohub would do, if you mean “we’ll give our special friends the MOTD or we’ll let them advertise to newbs while others can’t” it won’t cut it

[2010/02/18 11:25] Ciaran Laval: If this is anything like your last lot of wider advertising with the motd for large estate owners it’s going to go down like a lead balloon

[2010/02/18 11:26] Jack Linden: Prokofy.. on demand is precisely what we expect to be able to offer. I agree that all inworld businesses need ways to do that

[2010/02/18 11:26] Zeebster Colasanti: Jack: do you have a measure of the number of active Linden Home residents? meaning not just those who have one, but those who actively use the land.

[2010/02/18 11:26] Balpien Hammerer: Jack, am I correct in assuming the purpose of the linden homes is to serve up the newly entered population? if that is so, then limiting the linden home sales to newcomers (pick some age limit) would be a way to temper the privilege the lindens enjoy in makignthe linden home product.

[2010/02/18 11:27] Jack Linden: Ciaran, that’s a good Q.. and of course MotD is very compelling because of the high hit rates but no, I wasn’t talking specifically about that. We’ll provide more opportunities than that

[2010/02/18 11:27] Jude Towton: And I see it all as yet another thing LL has on their plate, when they can’t finish the old one

[2010/02/18 11:27] Chaley May: You have to imagine how much people are willing to pay in a virtual world.. lets say something like 50% are willing to pay only $10 a month on SL they will be getting linden homes and they will be unlikely to pay more

[2010/02/18 11:27] Jack Linden: Zeebster, we’re at about 5500 Linden Home owners right now

[2010/02/18 11:27] Prokofy Neva: Jack please get somebody to fix this entry in the KB: I’ve enjoyed my experience at Linden Home, and now want to expand my land ownership. How do I move?

Beyond Linden Home should you wish to “spread your wings”, there are a couple other land options:

* General mainland – Purchase inworld or through a Land Auction.

* Private regions – Purchase through our Land Store, or you can rent parcels from Resident estate owners.

[2010/02/18 11:27] Prokofy Neva: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Linden_Home/FAQ

[2010/02/18 11:28] Prokofy Neva: what is the total count of premium accounts?

[2010/02/18 11:28] TributeTim Kwak is Offline

[2010/02/18 11:28] Dytska Vieria: Why would a premium account holder want to rent land when it’s cheaper to buy land?

[2010/02/18 11:28] Jack Linden: Prokofy, agreed that could be beter messaged, I will take that as an action. We’re just at launch day +1 right now, so we have some work to do

[2010/02/18 11:28] Prokofy Neva: it isn’t cheaper to buy land, not at all

[2010/02/18 11:28] Jack Linden: We have around 70k Premium members

[2010/02/18 11:28] Ciaran Laval: Depends upon your tier level Dytska

[2010/02/18 11:29] Prokofy Neva: ok thakns Jack, I hope you can take that as an action rather than buck it back to me to wrestle editing the wiki because ticket-filing only gets that as an answer

[2010/02/18 11:29] Jack Linden reads back

[2010/02/18 11:29] Dahlea Milena nods at Chaley, and they get the stipend too, so where’s the incentive to grow upwards & outwards benefiting the larger community as a whole?

[2010/02/18 11:29] Prokofy Neva: so it’s down from its high of 100,000 in 2007

[2010/02/18 11:30] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Trade UP?

[2010/02/18 11:30] Prokofy Neva: if you give someone a $150/150 a week rental with 10 percent discount as I do, that’s US $2.00 a month, they can take the $7.95 and buy more currency directly than they get in the stiped.

[2010/02/18 11:30] Chaley May: yes people dont grow beyond their budget allows.. i reacon LL looked at the figures and seen an opportunity

[2010/02/18 11:30] Jack Linden: to Chaley’s point.. Estates generally don’t compete at the 512m size – their model allows them to provide much larger parcels and more starter content than Linden Homes do. Some estates also already offer the double prim effect that we have used for Linden Homes (and places like Bay City)

[2010/02/18 11:30] Stiletto Moody is Online

[2010/02/18 11:30] Dennis Lagan: jack, what prokofy says about the wiki, the same issue with the SL website in general , “buy land” lists new regions and linden homes as options, but about private estates you are dead silent. people who want ot see private estate listings have to go looking under “shoppint”. what kind of logic is that

[2010/02/18 11:31] Jack Linden: ..also, Linden Homes are by design much more restrictive.

[2010/02/18 11:31] Charlene Trudeau: hugely

[2010/02/18 11:31] Jack Linden: One of the next tasks we have is to release all the rezzor code and textures etc so that residents can build similar spaces if they wish to

[2010/02/18 11:31] Charlene Trudeau: I wanted to see what the whole exp was like and even I almost said stuff this over how restrictive

[2010/02/18 11:31] Ciaran Laval: Oh and Jack get the classified forum back hey, Second hand islands sales in particular have no home now

[2010/02/18 11:31] Charlene Trudeau: sure they do

[2010/02/18 11:32] Charlene Trudeau: there’s a great active group for it

[2010/02/18 11:32] Jack Linden: Dennis.. thse pages are a good example, I think, of where targeted advetising for estates will make sense

[2010/02/18 11:32] Charlene Trudeau: jsut IM me

[2010/02/18 11:32] Jack Linden: *tose

[2010/02/18 11:32] Prokofy Neva: yes that was completely unnecessary, deleting the classifieds for land rentals and sales

[2010/02/18 11:32] Jack Linden: ack *those

[2010/02/18 11:32] Qie Niangao: oooo… Dennis, you have an interesting point there. Maybe LAND should own all land-related transactions, advertising, etc… instead of Commerce

[2010/02/18 11:32] Charlene Trudeau: but we miss our forums

[2010/02/18 11:32] Chaley May: Jack but you have 55 homes per sim so technically you are competing at the 1200swm level

[2010/02/18 11:32] Prokofy Neva: especially given what a cluttery mess the Xstreet ads are

[2010/02/18 11:32] Charlene Trudeau: blogs just aren’t the same

[2010/02/18 11:32] Chaley May: *sqm

[2010/02/18 11:32] Chavi Skomoroklov: couldn’t agree more, Prokofy

[2010/02/18 11:32] Cindy Bolero is Online

[2010/02/18 11:32] Jack Linden: Ciaran, is there not a classifieds space on the new forum area? Hmm. I will follow up on that

[2010/02/18 11:32] Equinox Pinion: agree prokofy

[2010/02/18 11:33] Prokofy Neva: it’s long since overdue to fix the cluttery mess of Xstreet land classifieds

[2010/02/18 11:33] Charlene Trudeau: and I think the xstreet land listings should be accessed from ‘land’ too

[2010/02/18 11:33] Graeme Rubble: The new forum-blogs are unusable – we’re forced over to sluniverse et al.

[2010/02/18 11:33] Qie Niangao: I think xstreet land listings should just be flushed. put it all under a grand unified “land store” site.

[2010/02/18 11:33] Chavi Skomoroklov: there should be a lot more option to search in estate-listings on XstreetSL

[2010/02/18 11:33] Jack Linden: I believe we’re planning a raft of changes to the new blog area that will make them more useable (and more like a traditional forum space, as we had before with the vBulletin system)

[2010/02/18 11:33] Prokofy Neva: it’s likely not fixable given the blogurum software tho but it could be reviewed

[2010/02/18 11:34] Cynianne Hellershanks: I see this as a huge waste of already stretched harware resources

[2010/02/18 11:34] Cynianne Hellershanks: *hardware

[2010/02/18 11:34] Dennis Lagan: jack, you should have fixed that before, not after introduction.

[2010/02/18 11:34] gwampa Lomu is Online

[2010/02/18 11:34] Ciaran Laval: ANo land sales or rentals classifieds Jack, just the Xstreet ones under commerce forums for services, employment then the Xstreet feeds which aren’t very informative

[2010/02/18 11:34] Dennis Lagan: it was tested for a long time, you knew how people were feeling about it.

[2010/02/18 11:34] Prokofy Neva: Tell us about 2.0. How badly will it paralyze our business by making us have to rewrite leases, help cards, hobble our counting of prims, managing of estates, etc. etc. What changes are coming to the land portions of the UI? Can you tell us any scraps of info?

[2010/02/18 11:34] Jack Linden: Qie.. you make a good point. The longer term roadmap includes bringing land, lindex and xstreet into a single web experience so that we can properly tie them together

[2010/02/18 11:35] Cynianne Hellershanks: who is actually doing the planning on these? Does anyone even have inworld experience beyond the noobie stage?

[2010/02/18 11:35] Chavi Skomoroklov: longer term roadmap? how long, Jack?

[2010/02/18 11:35] Prokofy Neva: well I hope that means that land will no longer be visibly for sale and purchasable inworld and you have to ebayify the land market completely

[2010/02/18 11:35] Charlene Trudeau: and how do we get on the 2.0 beta test list? lol

[2010/02/18 11:35] Jack Linden: there is no reason why a resident shouldn’t be able to buy land, a house, terraforming services, and a RL tshirt in the same cart

[2010/02/18 11:35] Prokofy Neva: and I hope it doesn’t mean you will have your hands out to take commissions off sales or rentals of land the way you do for Xstreet products, not to put ideas in your head

[2010/02/18 11:35] Equinox Pinion: jack we hear that since ages…..you need to give us dates!!!

[2010/02/18 11:35] Melody Regent: Advertising land is at a disadvantage over all. There should actually be a dedicated forum to land sales and rents with differnt options to go thru. Offering both mainland and private forums and even something that is based on sim types…. like fulls, homesteads

[2010/02/18 11:36] Melody Regent: this way if someone wants to look for a parcel to RENT on mainland, there is a dedicated forum thread for that

[2010/02/18 11:36] Jack Linden: Cynianne, these sorts of projects across several teams.. and yes we have many active residents who also work for the Lab

[2010/02/18 11:36] Prokofy Neva: yes it should have clearly marked sub categories, even if you have to pay $25 per ad as you do now

[2010/02/18 11:36] Zeebster Colasanti: Jack, using Xstreet is not an option for large estates. we have turnover of several parcels per day. rezzing little interactive boxes on the land and going through a mini-interview just to list a parcel is not a viable option. we need an API or some way where we can input multiple parcels all at once through a web GUI

[2010/02/18 11:37] Cynianne Hellershanks: do these people talk and plan together? does anyone talk about worse case scenarios?

[2010/02/18 11:37] Melody Regent: The XStreet listings have become cumbersom and useless IMHO

[2010/02/18 11:37] Melody Regent: the ‘choices’ are not great either

[2010/02/18 11:37] Jack Linden: Equinox, dates are tough to give. We could probably talk about which quarter we expect things to land in and maybe that’s something I can talk to others about.. that we present a longer term roadmap to give people an idea of what is coming and roughly when we think it will land.

[2010/02/18 11:37] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I agree totally, Mel. Useless.

[2010/02/18 11:37] Prokofy Neva: there are ways to do multiple listings with Xstreet but taking the picture and emailing each one is a chore

[2010/02/18 11:37] Jack Linden: Work on a new xstreet platform has already begun, but it’s a big project

[2010/02/18 11:37] Ciaran Laval: The Xstreet feed is horrid to read

[2010/02/18 11:38] Chavi Skomoroklov: big project, yes; costly as well i assume, but we pay for it

[2010/02/18 11:38] Dennis Lagan: omg, a new xstreeet platform, even more horror to come. thats the danger when asking changes from lindenlab. they always seem to make it worse then it was

[2010/02/18 11:38] Zeebster Colasanti: fair enough. which wuarter can we expect the new Xstreet to be released?

[2010/02/18 11:38] Cynianne Hellershanks: I manage script times on 2 sims – why, when we manage nicely, do out script times shoot all over the place and we lag out? why do the numbers not add up? We have been managing script times for out residents for more than 6 months and it is only getting worse with each new update, server release and added sims to the servers?

[2010/02/18 11:38] Melody Regent: Most of the time the pictures down work and have not for a while now

[2010/02/18 11:38] Cynianne Hellershanks: the CSRs do not what we are talking about, can’t explain it

[2010/02/18 11:39] Summer Windlow: can i ask if there is any date fixed for when xstreet charges will become active please?

[2010/02/18 11:39] Chaley May: LL are awful at presenting information.. they messed up search in SL, messed up the forum/blog and messed up Xstreet.

[2010/02/18 11:39] Jack Linden: Zeebster.. happily one of the pieces of technlogy we built to support Linden Homes (and why is it so automated) is an API that allows a web service to make changes to land. That technology is going to allow many very cool things, including the ability for a marketplace to transact land, assign ownership, reset terrain, all those sorts of things.

[2010/02/18 11:40] Zeebster Colasanti: excellent. when can we expect to have this technology available to us?

[2010/02/18 11:40] Melody Regent: are you going to tack on more cost to using those services?

[2010/02/18 11:40] Cynianne Hellershanks: Why does LLR continue to go forward with all these new projects when they haven’t fixed the problems that already exist?

[2010/02/18 11:40] Cynianne Hellershanks: smoke and mirrors

[2010/02/18 11:40] Jude Towton: Good point Cynianne

[2010/02/18 11:40] Balpien Hammerer: ooo! JAck, are you creating secure land management APIs? Are the same also available from scripts?

[2010/02/18 11:41] Balpien Hammerer: and when? This is exactly the sort of thing many estate managers want and need, the ability to automate land transfers.

[2010/02/18 11:41] Cynianne Hellershanks: New residents are impressed with the sparkly things, those of us running businesses are not and want the problems fixed before you go forward with anymore bling

[2010/02/18 11:41] Melody Regent: [11:35] Charlene Trudeau: and how do we get on the 2.0 beta test list? <<– Jack this is a good question

[2010/02/18 11:41] Jack Linden: Cynianne, this isn’t an either/or situation. Often the teams that work on maintenance/fixes and those that work on new projects are very different and with different skill sets. We clearly still need to fix things and we will

[2010/02/18 11:42] Jude Towton: *coughs*

[2010/02/18 11:42] Chavi Skomoroklov: sorry Jack and others, have to leave; see you, thnx Jack

[2010/02/18 11:42] Equinox Pinion: take care chavi!!

[2010/02/18 11:42] Arwen Daviau: But for those of us having issues it is frustrating to get carbon copy responses repeatedly and no resolution

[2010/02/18 11:42] Chavi Skomoroklov: bye Equinox/Dennis!

[2010/02/18 11:42] Melody Regent: Have a great day Chavi

[2010/02/18 11:43] Dennis Lagan: bye chavi!

[2010/02/18 11:43] Arwen Daviau: Bye Chavi

[2010/02/18 11:44] Jack Linden: bye guys

[2010/02/18 11:44] Prokofy Neva: I think I have to give up Linden office hours for Lent.

[2010/02/18 11:44] Cynianne Hellershanks: When Jack? There is seemingly no progress on any of the issues such as antiquuated hardware, too many sims using resources of a tiny server, etc

[2010/02/18 11:44] wildorchid Fairymeadow: **ok i wuv u byby!!**

[2010/02/18 11:44] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Jack

[2010/02/18 11:44] Prokofy Neva: on the other hand, i have a great anim I could practice here

[2010/02/18 11:44] Jude Towton: I’d say the end result is more chaos when LL moves on when things aren’t working behind them. Tickets, AR’s, Jira’s…all bogging down the teaem trying t ofix the problems, the go-betweens from LL to us

[2010/02/18 11:44] Cynianne Hellershanks: We cannot get answers, and are cut off to discuss new bling

[2010/02/18 11:44] Jack Linden: sorry, keyboard issues, back now.. reading back

[2010/02/18 11:45] Cynianne Hellershanks: its very frustrating

[2010/02/18 11:45] wildorchid Fairymeadow: WB

[2010/02/18 11:46] Jude Towton: Tat’s where my concern come in, I’ve been all but told straight out that LL doesnt have the staff to deal with things on their own

[2010/02/18 11:46] Jack Linden: Cynianne, shared server resources is a complex one. The reason that we sometimes see an otherwise quiet region suffer lag is mostly down to the fact that other regions on the same server are overusing resources. Hence the work we’re doing on Script Limits

[2010/02/18 11:46] Jack Linden: But i totally agree that estate owners need to have more control over their own experience.

[2010/02/18 11:47] Balpien Hammerer: Well Jack, that is simply a bad architecture on the part of your staff.

[2010/02/18 11:47] Jack Linden: Midyear will be about providing script tools for landowners so they can really manage that load.

[2010/02/18 11:47] Melody Regent: Jack, what controls are you planning on giving us in the 2.0 version?

[2010/02/18 11:47] Arwen Daviau: but what are those limits exactly so we can prepare for that

[2010/02/18 11:47] Cynianne Hellershanks: which have yet to be published Jack, and the average sim/business owner doesnt know how much the change over in say vendors will cost

[2010/02/18 11:47] Equinox Pinion: can you tell me the logic behind the 1st May when the grandfathered status will not be moved to the new owner…why 1st may?

[2010/02/18 11:47] Balpien Hammerer: But, yes, script limits is a good limited scope fix to that.

[2010/02/18 11:47] Cynianne Hellershanks: the average avatar hasnt even heard of script limits yet

[2010/02/18 11:47] Chaley May: script limits wont change a thing

[2010/02/18 11:47] Equinox Pinion: and why is that blog post still hidden and not visible for most

[2010/02/18 11:48] Alliez Mysterio is Online

[2010/02/18 11:48] Jack Linden: Balpien, it’s not so much architecture as legacy in terms of the scaling model we used (which has, after all, taken us a long way). But we do have to revisit it and we are doing. We’ve a lot of work going on to understand how best to go forward with the simulator and hardware to make it more consistent

[2010/02/18 11:48] Charlene Trudeau: Equinox because this way it gave us a 1/4 notification of change

[2010/02/18 11:48] Charlene Trudeau: better than saying ‘effective immediately’

[2010/02/18 11:48] Balpien Hammerer: and we all know sscrpt limits is a response to the massive reziser scripts we see, which was an innovation to deal with the weak permissions systems.

[2010/02/18 11:48] Balpien Hammerer: unintended consequences of held off fixes.

[2010/02/18 11:48] Melody Regent: Jack, what additional controls, besides script limits, are you planning on giving estate owners in the 2.0 version?

[2010/02/18 11:49] Jack Linden: Arwen, we will not be enforcng script limits for a long while yet, to begin with we will just be putting information out (in the new Viewer beta coming soon for example).. so we’ll be talking a very long time in advance of any actual limits

[2010/02/18 11:49] Equinox Pinion: they said gf HS are till end of june 2010…..there is nothing which explains their logic

[2010/02/18 11:49] Jude Towton: (Kudos on saying “We’ve a lot” rather than “We’ve got a lot….))

[2010/02/18 11:49] Cynianne Hellershanks: Script llimits – per avatar – per parcel – how does that affect the sim owner and manager that provide lots of public lands that have owned scripted items on them? For example I manage, dont own 2 sims – my stuff is all over them for public use – does that count against my personal avatar limits?

[2010/02/18 11:49] Equinox Pinion: and most people still dont know about it as the post is hidden

[2010/02/18 11:49] Liisa Runo: 99% of the content will not be affected by script limits, it will only affect very badly made content and some grief content, so i dont really see how can script limits really change anything

[2010/02/18 11:50] Prokofy Neva: Jack, again: when you have this lovely cool fabulous web API to transact land, does that mean you are deprecating the ability to see land visibly for sale inworld and buy it on an interface inworld in the viewer

[2010/02/18 11:50] Balpien Hammerer: Be well, everyone.

[2010/02/18 11:50] Jack Linden: Balpien, it actually wasn’t – Script Limits are a necessary move to make sure that one region’s load doesn’t adversely impact other regions – but also because we should empower estates to build their own products and control their own load levels. We control prims and agents, adding scripts to that control set will give estate owners better control

[2010/02/18 11:50] Dytska Vieria: If http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895 were fixed, script limits would be much less of an issue.

[2010/02/18 11:50] Cynianne Hellershanks: We are perfectly capable of managing scritpt limits on our own sim – however arriving here with 5 avatars before me, this land was already at 0.0 spare time

[2010/02/18 11:50] Zida Sabra: Be well Bal..

[2010/02/18 11:51] Charlene Trudeau: cynianne, you control yours, but what about the others sharing your server?

[2010/02/18 11:51] Cynianne Hellershanks: Exactly Charlene

[2010/02/18 11:52] Jack Linden: Cynianne, it won’t be punative in that way.. it will work much the same way that prim limits do and for the large majority of people they may never even see the limits impact them because the limits will be high enough that we’re only limiting the top few percent of regions.. those are the ones that are very heavy users and tend to cause the problems

[2010/02/18 11:52] Cynianne Hellershanks: I have to restart over and over in hopes of getting flipped to some less laggy region

[2010/02/18 11:52] Arwen Daviau: i have a RL programmer on my team writing new scripts that us less of the sim resources and my lag increases daily.we restart constantly. this makes no sense at all.. everyday at 9am slt my sims bottom out with lag… and i cant get any resolution ….because it is not us causing the issue.. it is the 7 other sims on the server

[2010/02/18 11:52] Cynianne Hellershanks: we have a well run event, someone elso on another region we share server with goes insane with scripts and out event is ruined

[2010/02/18 11:52] Zeebster Colasanti: Jack, ISPs have been using resource limit controls per process for at least a decade now to permit users to run various web applications without affecting other web users. This is not a new technology and it has been used extensively. it is not implemented by monitoring individual scripts but rather limiting resource usage at the OS level. i don’t get why this has not been implemented to ensure that one sims don’t end up competing against each other for resources of the same server

[2010/02/18 11:53] Arwen Daviau: it is not fair that we pay to suffer what others do… plain and simple

[2010/02/18 11:53] Cynianne Hellershanks: Agreed

[2010/02/18 11:53] Prokofy Neva: there are 8 sims on a server now?

[2010/02/18 11:53] Jack Linden: Prokofy, no.. we will not remove the ability for people to search and transact land in the Viewer. People need that context of standing on a parcel and choosing to buy it. However the controls you use while doing that may well be delivered as web into the Viewer rather than in the Viewer codebase

[2010/02/18 11:53] Melody Regent: Agreed Arwen, and the limits are a good thing

[2010/02/18 11:54] Jack Linden: That way we can better iterate and add tools without needing new Viewer code

[2010/02/18 11:54] Chaley May: the approach is entirely wrong because its not scripts that adversely affect regions.. its having too many people on 1 region that seems to be the problem… everythings fine otherwise

[2010/02/18 11:54] Charlene Trudeau: A big problem with any Xstreet or land searches is that you can’t plus or minus a search option to narrow down choices for a more personalized search, it’s frustrating wading thru dozens, even hundreds, of ads because one word of a search description comes up in it. A better search engine with advanced options would be an asset to both sellers and buyers.

[2010/02/18 11:54] wildorchid Fairymeadow: what about knowing who shares servers and then the more experienced can help the less

[2010/02/18 11:54] Prokofy Neva: ok, I do have to wonder how “web into the viewer” will really work, remember when you stuffed the knowledge base into the viewer? the stuff never loads i nthere

[2010/02/18 11:54] Cynianne Hellershanks: But Jack, your new Linden Land shows a high script time lag monster fire being used – how is that setting a good example?

[2010/02/18 11:55] Ciaran Laval: Nobody knows if the limits are good or bad, we need to see it in action first

[2010/02/18 11:55] Arwen Daviau: this happens when i have only 2 people on my region..

[2010/02/18 11:55] Charlene Trudeau: and the land search tools themselves have inadequate search parameter tools

[2010/02/18 11:55] Arwen Daviau: we have been running tests for months

[2010/02/18 11:55] Prokofy Neva: if you are sharing with 7 other people and one of them is a culprit, then this new cap thing should cap them and make your experience better, no?

[2010/02/18 11:55] Dahlea Milena nods to Charlene, exactly so

[2010/02/18 11:55] Jack Linden: Charlene.. absolutely.. better filters for land listings (and being able to subscribe to a search set) are key requirements

[2010/02/18 11:55] Chaley May: Arwen I imagine you share a server with a popular club

[2010/02/18 11:56] Liisa Runo: http://secondlife.mitsi.com/Sims/default.htm

[2010/02/18 11:56] Arwen Daviau: sounds great in theory but not helping me now when i cant even walk on my own sim

[2010/02/18 11:56] Cynianne Hellershanks: Chaley you can switch servers by restarting

[2010/02/18 11:56] Arwen Daviau: restarts can bounce you .. we do them daily hoping to get lucky

[2010/02/18 11:56] Prokofy Neva: why do servers need to play roulette like that anyway? Why can’t they stay put? Say if you own 100 sims, why not keep them always yours and not “shared”? I don’t get the principle of this need to share

[2010/02/18 11:56] Jack Linden: Prokofy, it won’t be served by the simulator though, so it would be no slower than viewing the main website

[2010/02/18 11:56] Prokofy Neva: well that’s my point, the stuff inside the viewer like that doesn’t load

[2010/02/18 11:57] Arwen Daviau: i have a t1line jack.. bandwidth is not an issue for me

[2010/02/18 11:57] Charlene Trudeau: because you won’t get the same sort of grab the next open slot if you crash

[2010/02/18 11:57] Charlene Trudeau: if your slot is down and its not coming back up without automation

[2010/02/18 11:57] Charlene Trudeau: you could be down a whole lot longer

[2010/02/18 11:57] Chaley May: it would be good to provide a list of simulators that share the same server too

[2010/02/18 11:57] Jack Linden: Prokofy.. re sharing.. exactly yes. We expect Script Limits to, for example, prevent one mainland parcel owner from eating far too much of the region resources than the amount of land warrants. It will improve peoples experience

[2010/02/18 11:58] Charlene Trudeau: Chaley, all the tools (3rd party) I knew of that did that for us have shut down, sigh,

[2010/02/18 11:58] Liisa Runo: the web page i pasted above can find what sims share same server

[2010/02/18 11:58] Prokofy Neva: that way you can browbeat the people you believe to be culprits, sounds great

[2010/02/18 11:58] Prokofy Neva: but why do they need to share in the first place?

[2010/02/18 11:58] wildorchid Fairymeadow: not browbeat info..

[2010/02/18 11:58] Chaley May: wow thanx Liisa

[2010/02/18 11:58] Prokofy Neva: I mean they have to on the mainland obviously but why wouldn’t somebody who had a bunch get to just keep them dedicated

[2010/02/18 11:58] Charlene Trudeau: thank you, Liisa

[2010/02/18 11:58] Arwen Daviau: jack let me ask you this right now 8 full sims share one server with 4gb of memory.. is that correct???

[2010/02/18 11:58] Prokofy Neva: wildorchid, if you get info that the 7 sims you are sharing are all sex clubs then naturally you will go and harass the people

[2010/02/18 11:59] Cynianne Hellershanks: We plan to expand – could we get all our estate sims on one server?

[2010/02/18 11:59] wildorchid Fairymeadow: LOL..

[2010/02/18 11:59] wildorchid Fairymeadow: okay Prokofy

[2010/02/18 11:59] Chaley May: 8 sims on 1 server now?????

[2010/02/18 11:59] Jack Linden: Prokofy, the server sharing question has come up a few times. The reason it has always been a floating pool of hardware that a region grabs from when it comes up, is that way because we wanted plenty of failover for when, for example, we have a rack die on us. If we pinned regins to hardware then when that hardware fails, their region would stay down. But we are thinking more about this and there may be changes we can make to handle it more fairly

[2010/02/18 11:59] Liisa Runo: personally i think LL could just double the number of servers, and upgrade them all, LL sure has money to do it, easily

[2010/02/18 12:00] Dahlea Milena: I worked in a mainframe environment, if a server crashed & all of one thikng is on that sesrver… the mess trying to get those back up for buisiness is a headache…

[2010/02/18 12:00] Jack Linden: Arwen, it depends on the precise hardware (we have several models in production at any time). Full regions get a CPU to themselves, Homesteads share a CPU

[2010/02/18 12:00] Jack Linden: Each Server has multiple CPUs

[2010/02/18 12:00] Dahlea Milena: we spread them around for a reason

[2010/02/18 12:01] Summer Windlow: if you have 4 sims why cant you be allocated your own server so that you can manage your own sims ? is this not doable???

[2010/02/18 12:01] Melody Regent: I would love to have the sims servers in my control as to who I am near. We have, for years, controls script limits. With 140ish sims, I would love to see that all mine were bulked on the same servers becuase we spend alot of time making sure we are not overly scripted. But I see that ‘choosing’ a server may be an issue. Is it Jack? would it be possible that like owners can share like servers?

[2010/02/18 12:01] Cynianne Hellershanks: Jack what happens on a real sim is we are well within script limits, start using a scripted item which drive that script time up, still within limits, and then all other regions on the server get busy and suddenly our script times are threw the roof, all over the place and even non used, low time items are registering as very high

[2010/02/18 12:02] Cynianne Hellershanks: how is it our times vary so wildly, when we are well within compliance?

[2010/02/18 12:02] Zeebster Colasanti: same here, Melody. i’m sure Linden Labs could have a couple hot-standby racks ready to handle any failover requirements

[2010/02/18 12:02] Ruth Sandalwood is Offline

[2010/02/18 12:02] Jack Linden: To be clear, the reason why CPU and server sharing can cause problems is precisely because we don’t have things like script resources.. when we have those controls then a lot of those issues will be resolved because regions will be operating within the boundaries of their performance

[2010/02/18 12:03] Arwen Daviau whispers: well i know for one i would pay additional for better hardware for mine.. memory and cpu’s are cheap enough.. to bad we cant build our own, lol

[2010/02/18 12:03] Cynianne Hellershanks: so since we are already doing that Jack, then we should expect huge improvement?

[2010/02/18 12:03] Dahlea Milena: so wouldn’t behoove us to have script limits in place sooner rather than at some indefinate unknow far distant future then Jack?

[2010/02/18 12:03] Chaley May: so you can better allocate the memory usage over more sims on 1 machine

[2010/02/18 12:03] Dennis Lagan: jack are you still “thiking” about puttiung homesteads with 3 per CPU instead of 4? you been thinking over a year now, you must know it

[2010/02/18 12:03] Qie Niangao: Jack, a lot of these estates are clearly fighting ghosts–is there any way 1.38 server can be pushed out sooner, so the worst of the Mono performance bugs are out of the way?

[2010/02/18 12:03] Melody Regent: “sorting’ the servers seems to me that it shouldntbe to hard. If the sim onwer is the same, they all go on the same server. If there are room for 4 sims and only 3 owned by the same owner, then yes, let a 4th in. But the 3 should be allowed to stay together

[2010/02/18 12:04] Arwen Daviau: agreed melody

[2010/02/18 12:04] Cynianne Hellershanks: Great idea Melody

[2010/02/18 12:04] Zeebster Colasanti: but, Jack, did you not just say that you will not be delivering these controls for quite some time and in the time being you’ll only provide land owners with tools to report on script usage?

[2010/02/18 12:04] Dytska Vieria: yes, and it makes sim crossings much smoother

[2010/02/18 12:04] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Yesah Melody

[2010/02/18 12:04] Arwen Daviau: i would buy more just to have my own and that way i have control over my own resources..

[2010/02/18 12:05] Cynianne Hellershanks: that would be great Arwen, controlling our own servers

[2010/02/18 12:05] Cynianne Hellershanks: its easy enough

[2010/02/18 12:05] Arawn Spitteler thinks blocks of null sims could be similarly allocated.

[2010/02/18 12:05] Cynianne Hellershanks: What say Jack? shoot holes in that one because we really want to know why not?

[2010/02/18 12:05] Melody Regent: Jack, I have asked this already today, and got no answer from you. What ADDITIONAL controls besides script controls will you be giving to Private Estate Owners?

[2010/02/18 12:05] Summer Windlow: so jack theres a new way to make a buck and solve a problem by 4 sims control your own server lol

[2010/02/18 12:06] Arwen Daviau: we have had script limits in place on my sims for over a year with all my residents.. it would be an easy transition

[2010/02/18 12:06] Jack Linden: Zeebster, yeah we have to do this in a controlled way.. information first, then controls, then enforcement

[2010/02/18 12:06] Dennis Lagan: jack are you still “thinking” about putting homesteads with 3 per CPU instead of 4? you been thinking over a year now, you must know it by now…

[2010/02/18 12:06] Jack Linden: It will take until the end of the year before we really see any enforcement

[2010/02/18 12:06] Jack Linden: So people will have lots of time to adjust

[2010/02/18 12:07] Cynianne Hellershanks: another year of this ? you gotta be kidding

[2010/02/18 12:07] Zida Sabra: Jack can you please answer Melody’s question..

[2010/02/18 12:07] Charlene Trudeau: Dennis, that may depend on how homestead volumes hold up once they either do or don’t do away with grandfathering at the end of the year

[2010/02/18 12:07] Zeebster Colasanti: ok so the target is to get this done inside of 2010?

[2010/02/18 12:07] Arawn Spitteler: As Estate managers gain the ability to see, they may suggest some courtesy

[2010/02/18 12:07] Jack Linden: Qie, i think 1.38 is coming along fairly soon. And yes, my understanding is that it has some performance improvements in it

[2010/02/18 12:07] Cynianne Hellershanks: [12:05] Melody Regent: Jack, I have asked this already today, and got no answer from you. What ADDITIONAL controls besides script controls will you be giving to Private Estate Owners?

[2010/02/18 12:08] Arwen Daviau: [12:05:46] Melody Regent: Jack, I have asked this already today, and got no answer from you. What ADDITIONAL controls besides script controls will you be giving to Private Estate Owners?… would like to know this

[2010/02/18 12:08] Rene Grigorovich is Online

[2010/02/18 12:08] Melody Regent: Thank you guys, he ignored me the last meeting too

[2010/02/18 12:08] Cynianne Hellershanks: Estate managers have always had the ability to see script times

[2010/02/18 12:08] Cynianne Hellershanks: and control them

[2010/02/18 12:08] Charlene Trudeau: like when can we set things to NEVER allow ban lines

[2010/02/18 12:08] Hollywood Topaz: Enough

[2010/02/18 12:08] Hollywood Topaz: Let Jack answer Melody

[2010/02/18 12:08] Cynianne Hellershanks: just not the abusers in the shared servers

[2010/02/18 12:08] Hollywood Topaz: questions

[2010/02/18 12:08] Arwen Daviau: waits for answer to melody’s question

[2010/02/18 12:08] Hollywood Topaz: Please Jack

[2010/02/18 12:09] Melody Regent: He is typing, let him finish

[2010/02/18 12:09] Cynianne Hellershanks: he is laggingso bad we just cant see it

[2010/02/18 12:09] Hollywood Topaz: shhh

[2010/02/18 12:09] Arawn Spitteler: He might be crashing

[2010/02/18 12:10] Jack Linden: Melody, the main focus over the next few quarters will be on some big projects like provide detailed data to landowners and merchants, redeveloping areas like xstreet and how land is transacted (some of which will be estate related tools), and leveraging some of the new technology to let estates manage land remotely.

[2010/02/18 12:10] Jack Linden: Script Limits is a part of that

[2010/02/18 12:10] Hollywood Topaz: Melody you have the floor any other questions

[2010/02/18 12:10] Melody Regent: we have been here often asking for more ESTATE controls, what are some of the controls, besides script limits will we be getting?

[2010/02/18 12:10] Cynianne Hellershanks: Thanks Jack – so if estates can be managed remotely, will they still need script limits?

[2010/02/18 12:11] Jack Linden: Folks, for future meetings do remember that if you keep dropping notecards on me and IM me directly it makes it tough for me to answer the questions

[2010/02/18 12:11] Dennis Lagan: you mean the next decades, knowintg lindenlab

[2010/02/18 12:11] Cynianne Hellershanks: sarcasm is not needed Dennis

[2010/02/18 12:11] Melody Regent: for 9 months we have talked about others, such as controlins ban lines and other parcel settings from an estate level. Will those be comoing?

[2010/02/18 12:11] Jack Linden: Okays, I’m afraid I have to run. Sorry for the lateness and thank you for coming along today

[2010/02/18 12:11] Melody Regent: Of course

[2010/02/18 12:11] Arawn Spitteler: The next decade is next year anyways,

[2010/02/18 12:11] Jack Linden: Hope this was useful!

[2010/02/18 12:11] Ciaran Laval: cheers Jack

[2010/02/18 12:11] Equinox Pinion: the only way you can take it cynianne

[2010/02/18 12:12] Hollywood Topaz: Good Day Jack

[2010/02/18 12:12] Qie Niangao: Thanks Jack.

[2010/02/18 12:12] MissMissy Moonbeam: tc, Jack, ty

[2010/02/18 12:12] Cynianne Hellershanks: this was interesting

[2010/02/18 12:12] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Oh melody hge didn’t answer

[2010/02/18 12:12] Alexxa Despres: thanks, Jack

[2010/02/18 12:12] Melody Regent: This will be the FIRST question I ask next week Jack, please be ready for it

[2010/02/18 12:12] Ciaran Laval: Did we find out who has the Linden home textures?

[2010/02/18 12:12] Summer Windlow: maybe of topic butdo we have any info on when the proposed pricing will take effect for xstreet listings please?

[2010/02/18 12:12] Zida Sabra: Be well Jack.!

[2010/02/18 12:12] Melody Regent: Like I said he doesnt answer me

[2010/02/18 12:12] Dennis Lagan: then he wil lnot come next week, melody lol

[2010/02/18 12:12] Alexxa Despres: Have a good weekend….enjoy SF..and eat some sourdough bread for me

[2010/02/18 12:12] Arwen Daviau: absolutely

[2010/02/18 12:12] Jack Linden: All the best everyone!

[2010/02/18 12:12] Jack Linden waves

[2010/02/18 12:12] Arawn Spitteler: He might not have an answer prepared

[2010/02/18 12:12] Cynianne Hellershanks: guess now is a good time to go see our new Linden homes

[2010/02/18 12:12] Hollywood Topaz: How can he answer any of them with everyone through out different questions at one time

[2010/02/18 12:13] Ciaran Laval: Don’t be swayed Jack, stick with sausage sarnies or take the free bacon from Blue

[2010/02/18 12:13] Hollywood Topaz: get organized folks

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arwen Daviau: i say we all ask melody’s question next week and not talk till he answers

[2010/02/18 12:13] Melody Regent: Holly, this is not hte first time I asked him that questions

[2010/02/18 12:13] Hollywood Topaz: you’ll get more accomplished

[2010/02/18 12:13] Cynianne Hellershanks: private ims and notecards arent fair to him at meetings

[2010/02/18 12:13] Jack Linden is Offline

[2010/02/18 12:13] Melody Regent: he has had lots ot time to come up with an answer

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arawn Spitteler: Lindens have to be careful what they say, because they might be seen as agents of corporation, rather than as opinionated employees

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arwen Daviau: see you all next week

[2010/02/18 12:13] Hollywood Topaz: no but Have one voice for the all of you

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arwen Daviau: i nominate melody

[2010/02/18 12:13] Melody Regent: we dont all have the same concerns dear, will never work

[2010/02/18 12:13] Melody Regent: hahaha, Arwen!

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arwen Daviau: lol

[2010/02/18 12:13] APinkSwan Beauchamp: Well, there was organization and a question was asked numerous times and never answered. Will be here next time for the answer.

[2010/02/18 12:14] Hollywood Topaz: Never accomplished a thing

[2010/02/18 12:14] Arwen Daviau: i say we drop her nc’s

[2010/02/18 12:14] Qie Niangao: Oh, Ciaran, I had that question about textures ready to repeat from clipboard, but figured I’d get killed if I interrupted the estate controls questioning

[2010/02/18 12:14] Arwen Daviau: with pur wuestions

[2010/02/18 12:14] Cynianne Hellershanks: why Hollywood, we are not a representative government, we are a monarchy

[2010/02/18 12:14] Arwen Daviau: questions

[2010/02/18 12:14] Zida Sabra: Holly its hard to have one voice

[2010/02/18 12:14] Hollywood Topaz: lol

[2010/02/18 12:14] Arwen Daviau: bye all

[2010/02/18 12:14] Melody Regent: Shoot guys, I will take the NC and ask the questions, never an issue

[2010/02/18 12:14] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 12:14] Cynianne Hellershanks: bye

[2010/02/18 12:14] Zida Sabra: good bye

[2010/02/18 12:14] Hollywood Topaz: see

[2010/02/18 12:14] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Linden%20Estate%20Services/156/114/38