Jack Linden Office Hours – June 10, 2010
[10:59] Jack Linden: hey folks
[10:59] Equinox Pinion: hi jack
[10:59] Joshe Darkstone: heh, well, may be a bit of an exaggeration, but in fact theres alot of things getting old and tiresome around here 
[10:59] Alexxa Despres: hello Jack 
[10:59] Poppet McGimsie: wow Jack is brave
[10:59] Uni Ninetails: Hey Jack… uh
[11:00] Joshe Darkstone: not just my avi
[11:00] Jack Linden: sorry Lisa, no-one has rezzed for me yet
[11:00] Serra Anansi: Hi Jack
[11:00] LisaDeanna Zhora: Was teasing.. it happens
[11:00] Techwolf Lupindo: Very barave of you to show up today jack.
[11:00] LisaDeanna Zhora: closer next time, Mk?
[11:00] LisaDeanna Zhora: *giggles*
[11:00] Sonya Haight: could be worse Lady, Snoopy just ran over me
[11:00] Poppet McGimsie: come sit next to me, phil
[11:00] Jack Linden: hehe Lisa
[11:00] Malarthi Behemoth: Apologies Sonya, I literally didn’t see you.
[11:00] Lady Sakai: lol Sonya
[11:00] LisaDeanna Zhora:
[11:00] Poppet McGimsie: I’ll keep my hands to myslef, I promise
[11:00] LisaDeanna Zhora: Hi Tech
[11:00] Melody Regent: Darn
[11:00] Sonya Haight: its ok Malarthi, I’m probably standing in a bad spot, Jack ran me over last time here
[11:01] Equinox Pinion: Jack, first glad you are still with us! Second you allowed ACS to put over 450 homesteads on the grid last week with reduced tier, basicly 95 USD per month, while none of us can buy them even from another resident..why are you so stubborn and don’t admit that the 125 usd tier is not working for estates and you don’t sell any to them and finaly make them all 95 usd instead making a deal with ACS which makes every other estate owner upset?
[11:01] Jack Linden: Wow Equinox.. nice intro.
[11:01] Equinox Pinion: yep
[11:01] Poppet McGimsie: holy crap
[11:01] Lady Sakai: I SECOND that jack
[11:01] Techwolf Lupindo: Charlene Trudeau, you mic is stuck open.
[11:02] Driftwood Miles: Hi Blu
[11:02] LisaDeanna Zhora: dont you hate those keys
[11:02] Alexxa Despres: hi ya Blu
[11:02] LisaDeanna Zhora: )
[11:02] Blu Jupiter: hey
[11:03] Joshe Darkstone: hrm, my hs sim that got its tier raised in a type swap is still set to bill at $125
[11:03] Poppet McGimsie: wow uni actually has 9 tails
[11:03] Jack Linden: Equinox, as you well know I can’t discuss a specific estate owner and what they may or may not choose to do with their inworld land business. But we can talk generally about it..
[11:03] Equinox Pinion: ok..take ACS away
[11:03] Ciaran Laval: Yay Jack I owe you L$25
[11:04] Equinox Pinion: why do you allow ONE owner to do that and piss us all off?
[11:04] Melody Regent: This is not about what THEY are doing but about what LL is doing by offering sims at a discount on tier when you telll the rest of us no
[11:04] Jack Linden: ..as far as how estates price themselves or how they supply land.. that’s largely their call. As far as how *we* sell islands to estates – as you know there are programs for the large estates that give them some incentives to grow
[11:04] Phil Deakins: and why not talk about one specific estate, jack? What are you afraif of?
[11:04] Equinox Pinion: Jack, you did the deal with ACS only because you didn’t have enough growth in the second quarter, wake up and admit the 125 usd is not working for homesteads! and you will sell them again to everybody and not piss off 99% of your landowners
[11:04] Jack Linden: We’ve talked about those programs before during office hours
[11:05] Uni Ninetails: jesus christmonkeys but no incentives for small estates thats nice of LL yep yep
[11:05] Equinox Pinion: these is not a program jack…this is unfair competition
[11:05] Melody Regent: So you are saying Jack that we are able to get $95 a month homesteads if we buy them in bulk?
[11:05] Driftwood Miles: Jack a Direct Question….are Linden selling ANY Homesteads that have a $L95 Tier??
[11:05] Equinox Pinion: which is even not allowed under EU law..hope you are aware of it
[11:05] Lady Sakai: Jack apparently your nt understadning what we are saying …. its not the X Estate that is selling to an onl tier price … its LL
[11:05] Jack Linden: Phil, not afraid at all.. it’s just not something we do. I wouldn’t discuss your business practices with others either. We’ve always been very careful with stuff like that
[11:05] Joshe Darkstone: $L ??
[11:05] Rockwell Ginsberg: whats the deal with land sales search in 2.0
[11:05] Melody Regent: Are you selling HS sims that included $95usd tier a month and what is the minimum to buy, to get that tier?
[11:06] Phil Deakins: It’s not the land owner’s business practise Jack – it’s yours. why are you afraif dicussing it?
[11:06] Zoha Boa: Jack, who’s ass do I have to kiss to get 500HS sims with a 95US$ tier then ?
[11:06] Rockwell Ginsberg: jack when they gonna fix land sales search
[11:06] Kristaki Hudson: has far i know we never been told all of us landlownwers if u buy in bulk is a discount or i missed that in past???
[11:07] Jack Linden: Equinox, it’s absolutely normal in almost any commercial space I can think of that the scale of a customer will affect their buying power and the deals they have access to. As I said, we’ve had that conversation here before. The top estates have invested particularly heavily, and yes, they do get some additional features because of their size
[11:07] Rockwell Ginsberg: do you see any connection with 2.0 land sales search functionality or lack thereof, and steady declining mainland values?
[11:07] Equinox Pinion: no not the top estates…ONE estate
[11:07] Driftwood Miles: Thats all we needed to know Jack
[11:07] Melody Regent: Are you selling HS sims that included $95usd tier a month and what is the minimum to buy, to get that tier?
[11:07] Equinox Pinion: it is just ONE
[11:07] Rockwell Ginsberg: does the lab monitor mainland values and turnover?
[11:07] Phil Deakins: so you do quantity discounts. alright. what are they?
[11:07] Equinox Pinion: yes if i buy 400 do i get it too?
[11:08] Uni Ninetails: only if you deemed worthy Phil it seems.
[11:08] Equinox Pinion: i am sure i could get an alliance just in this room for it!!!
[11:08] Serra Anansi thinks this line of questioning is a nice way to avoid the real topic on peoples minds
[11:08] Phil Deakins: so it seems. Jack is afraid of discussing it
[11:08] Melody Regent: This is very much on my mind Serra
[11:08] Phil Deakins: What are the quantity discounts, Jack?
[11:08] Marcusgay Lefevre waves to all
[11:08] Sera Lok: I would like to know, if hasn’t been addressed, is the Search actually going to be fixed in June? This June? can you be more specific please, or can someone IM me the info if it was covered already?
[11:08] Techwolf Lupindo rezzes a frying pan under Jack.
[11:08] Equinox Pinion: and a discount buy price is bussines practice yes…not reduced tier which gives them advantage
[11:08] Driftwood Miles: It is all well and good offering Purchase deals to ACS etc but TIER Jack?? That screws your whole economy!!
[11:09] Rockwell Ginsberg: are you happy with land sales search in 2.0? more simply put
[11:09] Poppet McGimsie: what is that, serra? whether our sims will become 2d webpages? : )
[11:09] Charlene Trudeau: I suspect its sort of like Walmart being able to buy for cheaper than the mom and pop down the street because as quantities go up, the per item can go down. The problem is, Jack, that while we can agree that maybe the up front purchase can have discounts, any discount in tier makes the playing field totally uneven and even those of us who might have dipped toe into the upper size echelons are gonna get pissed over being unable to compete price wise, even if it makes perfect sense to your accountants
[11:09] Equinox Pinion: no normal company would piss off 99% of its customers with it
[11:09] Driftwood Miles: Nobody here can or will compete with that Jack
[11:09] Joshe Darkstone: so you raise our tiers to $125, lose sales on regions, and then provide an unfair advantage to a few “alrge” groups so they can further undercut us. the real question is on what level do you support the majority of your customer base? everything you have been announcing, doing, has seemed to be designed to pick our pockets while generating fees for LL and preferential advantages for a few of LL’s most favored “nations”
[11:09] Serra Anansi: whats the point of owning land at all when its obvious that LL has specific objectives and its not the people who made SL what it is today.. the little guys
[11:09] Jack Linden: Phil, the largest estates, if they wish to talk to us about a bulk purchase, can do so with their account managers. Phil, honestly not sure why you’re going down the ‘he’s afraid’ road.. I’m here because I’m happy to talk about this stuff. You have to recognise that as a business we have a range of customers and that sometimes the largest customers will get additional support
[11:10] Melody Regent: Are you selling HS sims that included $95usd tier a month and what is the minimum to buy, to get that tier?
[11:10] Rockwell Ginsberg: jack – land sales search in 2.0 – whats the deal?
[11:10] Equinox Pinion: ACS owes about 5% of the landmass..we owe the other 95%..dont you think you should be more carefull how you treat us?
[11:10] Joshe Darkstone: our renters leave our islands in droves to go to the islands of those you favor in that way, and it serves to directly kill the business of the many while consolidating the profits for the few
[11:10] Jack Linden: okay, one second.. lots of text to scan back through..
[11:10] Alex84 Tigerauge: hey rip
[11:10] Phil Deakins: So what are the quantity discounts, jack?
[11:10] Lady Sakai: helping some undercut the large is not additional support jack
[11:10] Equinox Pinion: we dont have an account manager anymore!!!!
[11:10] Melody Regent: Are you selling HS sims that included $95usd tier a month and what is the minimum to buy, to get that tier?
[11:10] Driftwood Miles: LOL Mel
[11:10] Aizur Zessinthal: But Jack, how can your smaller customers BECOME your largest customers when you give the largest ones the tools to undercut ALL small players? Youa re essentially granting them Monopoly Rights to private regions.
[11:10] Driftwood Miles: I think the answer is a resounding YES
[11:11] Equinox Pinion: lol
[11:11] Melody Regent: me too but I would like a direct answer
[11:11] Kristaki Hudson: Jack if i may ask one cuestion on this hs tema when you mention large land owners this means minimum how much sims if i may ask you ?
[11:11] Equinox Pinion: i wonder that too kristaki..as you are in the top 10
[11:11] Equinox Pinion: and it looks you didnt get a nice deal
[11:11] Jack Linden: Rockwell, no I am not happy with search right now (land or otherwise). We’re prepping some fixes for the upcoming web release that will address a lot of the issues
[11:12] Ciaran Laval: What up coming web release?
[11:12] Driftwood Miles: This screws Estates that really put an effort into giving their residents great product and service
[11:12] Rockwell Ginsberg: its making the mainland grind to a halt. just saying, idc for me, but its bad for your business
[11:12] Kristaki Hudson: i never been told was a deal for bulk its first time do hear this if i may opine on this
[11:12] Lady Sakai yawns ” Sorry Jack, do you have that copy / pasted ?”
[11:12] Jack Linden: Right now, that search work is still on target so i’m hopeful that we’ll get those fixes out. That web release is a week or so out I believe
[11:12] Joshe Darkstone: jack so none of the fixes for search are out yet? because all my pracels are still apparently de-listed
[11:12] Jack Linden: Lady, nope.. I typed it!
[11:12] Sera Lok: .
[11:12] Poppet McGimsie: if there isn’t a policy for people to get volume discounts, and only a need to “approach” you about it, sounds very subjective and unfair, if you ask me
[11:12] Phil Deakins: what web release? they are asking about inworld search, Jack
[11:12] Melody Regent: What is the minimum to buy, to get the $95us a month tier
[11:12] Equinox Pinion: dont sneak out by changing the subject jack..you didnt answer many questions from the first topic
[11:13] Alexxa Despres: The thing is Jack…it is only being given to ONE person …not ‘larger estates’…which REEKS of monopoly!
[11:13] Aizur Zessinthal: And what size must your estate be Jack?
[11:13] Jack Linden: Poppet, I’d probably agree actually. We should push discounts out as a clear set of levels.
[11:13] Driftwood Miles: Even Anshe is showing some humility on the issue by buying using an alt
[11:13] Poppet McGimsie: I agree with Meoldy’s question: what is the policy for discounts? What is the minimum to buy, to get the $95us a month tier?
[11:13] Qie Niangao: (in-world search driven by web, so they don’t need a viewer release)
[11:13] Equinox Pinion: LOL drift
[11:13] Jack Linden: Leave that one with me. Agreed we should publish some guidance on bulk purchasing
[11:13] Tarina Sewell: I like the viewer.
[11:13] Phil Deakins: SHOULD Jack? what on earth does that mean. WILL YOU?
[11:14] Equinox Pinion: and when will we hear about it
[11:14] Melody Regent: What is the current amount we need to buy to get that?
[11:14] Tarina Sewell: im just a no land owning store owner. probably have no right to ask anything.
[11:14] Aizur Zessinthal: You’d Probably agree Jack? You either agree or disagree Jack, and then you tell us you’ll look into it. Get some coffee, your Obfuscate-fu is weak today
[11:14] Poppet McGimsie: Jack, are you not the one who decides?
[11:14] Aizur Zessinthal: lol there ya go Jack.
[11:14] Equinox Pinion: sorry tarina….you do
[11:14] Charlene Trudeau: Yes, Jack, publicized lvels in stead of NDA’d levels would be an up front honest sort of policy
[11:15] Equinox Pinion: jsut really upset about that deal
[11:15] Driftwood Miles: Even if they are $L95 Jack (which is offensive in the sublime) what other mechanism of favour does ACS have over the rest of us that allows 450 sims to be dumped on the grid?
[11:15] Jack Linden: Okay, so an action on me to get some messaging together around bulk discounts. As I said, agreed we should do it. I will take that on.
[11:15] Qie Niangao: Jack, umm. Restructuring: Could you comment on the integration of Product and Engineering?
[11:15] Poppet McGimsie: what is ACS
[11:15] Joshe Darkstone: 450 sims shouldnt even be allowed on the grid when things are this bad
[11:15] Driftwood Miles: And this is not Passion Jack this is anger!
[11:15] Melody Regent: any and all discounts need to be public. Not hidden, so people know what to reach for.
[11:15] Melody Regent: What is the current amount needed to get this discount? Or do you not know?
[11:16] Eddi Decosta: Hi Jack!
[11:16] Lady Sakai: its an Estate Poppet
[11:16] Joshe Darkstone: well, 450 works
[11:16] Phil Deakins: so what web release, Jack. It’s the inworld search that concerns people
[11:16] Jack Linden: Qie, what specifically did you want to know?
[11:16] Cara Ametza: including the rumors of large estates being able to buy 5 sims and get 2 free
[11:16] Qie Niangao: well… start with org chart.
[11:16] Jack Linden: Driftwood, understood
[11:16] Marcusgay Lefevre: @ Jack, can i expect a land expo this year?
[11:16] Joshe Darkstone: so it isnt like something they can actually form policy on
[11:16] Joshe Darkstone: of course, if they sold you 450, and someone else 450 , then acs woud be screaming its head off, no one would be renting them
[11:17] Kristaki Hudson: .
[11:17] Rockwell Ginsberg: acs isn’t making money these days dont sweat them
[11:17] Qie Niangao: the announcement sounded like you and development were all in the same department now… not sure how that works.
[11:17] Jack Linden: Qie, I mean do you have an actual question around the restructuring?
[11:17] wildorchid Fairymeadow: I am a small owner and how will I be affected by all this?
[11:17] Alexxa Despres: you mean a level playing field Joshe? What a thought!!!!!!!
[11:17] Jack Linden: Ah I see..
[11:17] Alexxa Despres: 
[11:17] Lady Sakai: Rockwell, that really isnt the point
[11:17] Ciaran Laval: Rockwell they brought out Azure and now appear to have 450 extra homesteads arriving, they aren’t doing that for charity
[11:18] Equinox Pinion: I do…how do you want to manage the work with 140 people less if you are not able to it including them
[11:18] Shila Szondi: sorry I have to say this.. I find it totally disgusting that people cant get one straight answer from the lindens when many of us have 1000′s of real dollars invested in here
[11:18] Miss Wright: maybe I came in a little late was it mentioned what the actual plan is?
[11:18] Melody Regent: Yes, any and all discounts need to be public, even those that offer free sims. They need to be open for all to see and attempt to gain.
[11:18] Poppet McGimsie: I have a question about the restructuring. Is it going to totally destroy everything?
[11:18] Miss Wright: with the restructuring
[11:18] Poppet McGimsie: is really scared
[11:18] Jack Linden: Well, the new structure will bring engineering resources closer to business/product design and will allow us to be more focussed and hopefully move faster on priority projects
[11:18] Tammy Nowotny is wondering if the whole enterprise is on the verge of implosion
[11:18] Phil Deakins: The restructuring was just spin. They *have* to restructure because they have a lot fewer people now
[11:18] Equinox Pinion: i mean your own people even dont know at the moment who is responsible for xstreet now
[11:19] Qie Niangao: okay. Thanks Jack.
[11:19] Shila Szondi: yet Jack you cant tell us the discounts on land?
[11:19] Miss Wright: nice
[11:19] Dimentox Travanti: And where is Mono in that list? Where is server stability?
[11:19] Poppet McGimsie: Will the emphasis still be on resident-created content, Jack?
[11:19] Joshe Darkstone: priority projects meaning things like expanding the marketplace to the point that no one should bother building inworld stores anymore?
[11:19] Shila Szondi: come on quit the dance and give us some straight answers for once
[11:19] Sera Lok: nod… whatever happened to that Mono Bug fix that was supposed to be here months ago?
[11:19] Driftwood Miles: Jack, I really think that along side less opaque discounting we also need to know what LL’s POLICY is regarding ACS and the cannon fodder of estates like Tribe?
[11:19] Equinox Pinion: priority projects selected by whom jack? that is the problem you have…your priority is wrong!!
[11:19] Phil Deakins: I can’t stand any ore of this. Jack is just full of waffle. Bye all
[11:19] Ciaran Laval: You don’t improve services by cutting jobs
[11:19] Jack Linden: We’ve been very matrixed in the past, but we’re moving more towards business units that are organised in a way that lets a single team/group handle an entire end to end development
[11:20] Tarina Sewell: Can someone in that office fix the survey on xstreetsl, please?
[11:20] CarpeDiem Turbo: that to me seems like a cover up for we know nothing and plan to do nothing
[11:20] Ciaran Laval: well not when it’s 30% of jobs anyway
[11:20] Jack Linden: Poppet, absolutely. resident made content is crucial for us
[11:20] Shila Szondi: yet you completely ignore the business peoples needs and questions…so tell me how do you figure you are helping us?
[11:20] Drongle McMahon: What is more scalable support?
[11:20] Ciaran Laval: Jack can you get someone to tell us what the bloody hell is going on without all the spin
[11:20] Summer Windlow: are you activly trying to kill inworld stores jack straight answer please ?
[11:21] Rockwell Ginsberg: and the mainland
[11:21] Joshe Darkstone: your going to get mine soon jack, i figure end of the month when my stores start closing, ill be setting out 5000 products full perm. user created content for the masses
[11:21] CarpeDiem Turbo: they would never admit that summer
[11:21] Driftwood Miles: and Estates other than ACS
[11:21] Melody Regent: JACK – LOADS OF US HAVE ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION, WHY WONT YOU ANSWER IT!??? **** What is the minimum purchase to get the $95usd priced sims? **** If you dont know that number, please SAY SO!!!
[11:21] Kristaki Hudson: Mr Jack Linden cuestion for you Sir> how much residents apply each week in secondlife i ask this cause renting land is a big task and work for all of us and for this we need all of us landlords here or which are not in this meeting right now needs residents u agree on this. and also be nice if lindenlab does some promotions if you do or not i have no idea to have new residents joining this great world right what you can reply us on this has a statistic please sir jack linden
[11:21] Jack Linden: We would have restructured regardless of having to let some folks go. It’s been a tough week, and to lose so many valuable friends and colleagues is difficult. But smart companies sometimes have to make these decisions and this was a necessary change unfortunately. Never easy though.
[11:21] Poppet McGimsie: Will resident created sim still be an important thing in SL, with the browser emphasis? Does brower mean something like v 2, or does it mean something like 3d web browser development?
[11:21] Asterion Coen: hello folks
[11:22] Tammy Nowotny: without inwolrd stores, there wd be nothing to see aside from a few houses
[11:22] Rockwell Ginsberg: yea that sucks jack
[11:22] Poppet McGimsie: will builders still be as free to create what they imagine? is mesh still on?
[11:22] CarpeDiem Turbo: what houses, if theres Nooooooo! stores theres noone to build said houses
[11:22] Jack Linden: Melody, no need to shout. As I said, I will look at getting some public info out for you – I don’t have any numbers that I’d be prepared to throw out during office hours
[11:22] Shila Szondi: and how many stores are closing each week…Many
[11:22] Driftwood Miles: Jack smart companies don’t get rid of 30% over a week or so. If they were smart would they have hired them in the first place. There has to be something else
[11:22] Eddi Decosta: well, jack honestly im little srcastic about this 30% of layoff .. i thik now ll have no idia of the concequance for that, some people here lost some very great friend at Linden lab, and for Blue and Teagan its pure crap.. and i assume what i said ..
[11:22] Equinox Pinion: yes smart companies jack….i see that different you invested in sl enterprise…a stupid phoneservice…all costs that hits your now
[11:22] Melody Regent: Thank you for finally responding. That is all we wanted
[11:22] Equinox Pinion: thats not smart
[11:22] Driftwood Miles: <<sounds like I am on speed…apologies
[11:23] Miss Wright: He is being very clear, basically there were too many different departments , it was so broken up, probably caused a break in communication and organization, he is saying they are compiling a team that knows not just their job, but the process from start to finish so it works better, so the organization works better, its a very very very good thing
[11:23] Shila Szondi: Jack no need to shout…come on you give certain customers an unfair advantage and yet wont even give us the details to gain that advantage…come on
[11:23] Poppet McGimsie: who said there would not be stores and resident-created content??
[11:23] Summer Windlow: jack is it linden lab policy to kill inworld stores?
[11:23] Rockwell Ginsberg: and mainland?
[11:23] Bitsy Giano: Can you tell us what the stated future goal of switching to a web browser based application with no additional software would do to that content we have already created in world?
[11:23] Asterion Coen: eddi, that’s worst. lot of residents, including companies r affraid that’s the whole SL will soon deseaper
[11:23] Charlene Trudeau: ok, so what movement is there on Search and getting things fixed so it works to get everyone fair presence?
[11:23] RedMokum Bravin: Any short term plans for the European office? We’ve seen it come to Amsterdam but never heard of it thereafter.
[11:23] CarpeDiem Turbo: i want to know more about that web browser thing, cause personaly i think it sucks
[11:24] Asterion Coen: some budjets about SL stuffs has already been suspended
[11:24] Jack Linden: To be clear re. SL and browsers – the point is not to weaken or lose the amazing immersive world we have right now at all – far from it. We *are* interested in finding ways to let people see into ths world without needing a download, or ways in which people can tie their social identity into their inworld one
[11:24] wildorchid Fairymeadow: so they have not come up with numbers, which is not good business , you should have decussed numbers as well as the way you plan to place in motion this new way of business
[11:24] Eddi Decosta: i dont know why the direction want to destry whole work, of Philip …
[11:24] Driftwood Miles: theres a saying in Texas you know…fool me once……………
[11:24] Poppet McGimsie: wouldn’t it be better to learn more before thinking it sucks?
[11:24] Kristaki Hudson: When you can jack reply to my cuestion i know u have lot cuestion hre sir i wait thank you
[11:24] Alexxa Despres: At this juncture , Jack, the wheels you have put in motion… one fell swoop cut of 30 % with a POOR explanation is ripe to make people PANIC.. Why is this not given consideration when you guysmake these announcements….simply BLOWS me away
[11:24] Bitsy Giano: ok so our businesses as we have them and content all will remain safe and intact?
[11:24] Techwolf Lupindo: Jack, you still need to download _something_ to the browser in order to see the 3D world.
[11:24] Cara Ametza: facebook does not equal SL though, it shouln’t tie in completely, that’s why this is Second Life, so you can have totally distinct lives and not worry about your boss at a Fortune 500 company finding out that your a stripper in SL for example.
[11:25] Ciaran Laval: Facebook is a fad
[11:25] Techwolf Lupindo: I don’t think javascript will cut it.
[11:25] CarpeDiem Turbo: maybe poppet, but sl isnt stable now what do you think will happen then
[11:25] Cara Ametza: putting them together is not a good idea
[11:25] Poppet McGimsie: would they be able to see into it like it is or is it possible the whole sl would become much more constrained to be playable on a browser with no software dl?
[11:25] Rockwell Ginsberg: I’d like to know how much time Kingdon has spent inworld. I don’t think he gets it.
[11:25] Tammy Nowotny: a browser based viewer as an alternative to the main viewer wd be good… for people who canb’t DL appas on their work PCs… but as a substitute it wd be a huge step backward. the browser is an outmoded 1993-vintage technology.
[11:25] Aizur Zessinthal: JAck that is silly. Without rebuilding the rendering engine there is not gonna be a way to move SL to the web browser without requiring a download. Simple large world java or flash games can run up to 300mb in a browser already and those are not 3d rendered at al usually.
[11:25] Jack Linden: so much text.
[11:25] wildorchid Fairymeadow: but i do believe that there was discussion on this but have been advised to not discuss it…Just yet..
[11:25] Alexxa Despres: <<thinks they need to hire a new PR manager…… at the VERY least!
[11:25] Rockwell Ginsberg: Jack can you fire Kingdon?
[11:25] Joshe Darkstone: you mean this browser initiative is about putting up pretty pictures? 2d? or getting a 3d client into the browser?
[11:26] Ciaran Laval: ISo much concern
[11:26] Sera Lok: .loll
[11:26] Eddi Decosta: M, do some free layoff just for save more cash , but the service for the old resident is allways in the same way ..
[11:26] Tarina Sewell: Did jack crash?
[11:26] Aizur Zessinthal: No, he’s typing
[11:26] Summer Windlow: jack im starting to wonder if owning a sim to run my store is pointless i work extremely hard at it and spend real money i would like to know why it is looking like it is ll policy to kill inworld stores
[11:26] Tarina Sewell: o ty
[11:26] Jack Linden: Agreed, we shouldn’t get fixated with spaces like facebook; and we aren’t. We’re very different but we also recognise that for many folks they exist in both and it makes sense that we help people to carry elements from one side into the other.
[11:26] Rockwell Ginsberg: summer, land ownership in this ‘world’ is a true liability
[11:26] wildorchid Fairymeadow: like Boeing they like to keep ya guessing..until that friday when ya get your Pink Slip..1 hour before quit time
[11:26] LisaDeanna Zhora: Why is facebook on all the SL web site paged then, jack?
[11:27] Malarthi Behemoth: Jack, I call shenanigans.
[11:27] LisaDeanna Zhora: pages*
[11:27] Joshe Darkstone: so thats ayes? pretty pictures on your facebook page is the big web initiative?
[11:27] Aizur Zessinthal: Oooooooh *points at Farva*
[11:27] Malarthi Behemoth: Second Life is trying to be everything but itself.
[11:27] Jack Linden: Summer, we really don’t want to kill inworld stores. We *did* need to rebuild xstreet though, as merchants will agree it needs a lot of work
[11:27] Chant Juran: proberl face book are paying the Lindons
[11:27] Shila Szondi: facebook has security issues, when you started announcing it we all said no but still it was brought in. Do the lindens ever listen to their customers Jack?
[11:27] Sylva Petrov: Isn’t this a huge step /backwards/?
[11:27] CarpeDiem Turbo: its Nooooooo! wonder that inwordlz had a increase of 2000 members in less thena mo
[11:27] Driftwood Miles: How much tier is Anshe paying for her full sims ?
[11:27] Poppet McGimsie: if it means people will be able to find stuff in SL when they do a google search, and click a url and see something real and 3d, live, in world, then I am all for it. if it means that the look of sl will change, that everyone will have to access it that way (that there won’t be a more robust downloadable version) then I am very worried about it
[11:27] Sylva Petrov: To be kissing the tail end of .php and websites?
[11:28] Equinox Pinion: good question drift..start to wonder too lol
[11:28] Melody Regent: He wont tell us that Drift
[11:28] Dennis Lagan: me too
[11:28] Driftwood Miles: this is just not worth the hard work it really isn’t
[11:28] Trouble Streeter: Drift, my answer would likely be “not much”
[11:28] Jack Linden: Well, facebook is the dominant social space currently. It also has a model that is open for developers to integrate with and many other games and services are doing that.
[11:28] Melody Regent: but if they get a discount, then they need to tell US how to get that
[11:28] Summer Windlow: ty for your answer jack but take cre not to throw the baby out with the bath water its your job at risk too if this all goes tits up in yout face!
[11:28] Kristaki Hudson: Mr Jack Linden cuestion for you Sir> how much residents apply each week in secondlife i ask this cause renting land is a big task and work for all of us and for this we need all of us landlords here or which are not in this meeting right now needs residents u agree on this. and also be nice if lindenlab does some promotions if you do or not i have no idea to have new residents joining this great world right what you can reply us on this has a statistic please sir jack linden
[11:28] Ciaran Laval: Second Life should be leading, not following, Farmville ain’t gonna pay the tier bills
[11:28] Shila Szondi: How many in this room would gladly jump to another inworld to get away from sl and this type of management?
[11:28] Alexxa Despres: Do they want US to get the discount..,maybe that is the crux of the matter…and THAT is concerning!
[11:29] Sera Lok: I’m not comfortable at all with this Second Life trying to be like Facebook thing.
[11:29] Tarina Sewell: Ciaran, agreed
[11:29] CarpeDiem Turbo: im already in another world
[11:29] Eddi Decosta: yeah Jack, but dont forgot, sl is sl and facebook is facebook ..
[11:29] Equinox Pinion: kristaki…..the daily new sign ups are 10.000 per day
[11:29] Chant Juran: not me
[11:29] CarpeDiem Turbo: im here to
[11:29] Asterion Coen: From a simulator, SL will become a 3D facebook or so ?
[11:29] Melody Regent: Shila, but cant we have Farmville part of SL, all have little coops?
[11:29] Melody Regent: lol
[11:29] Trouble Streeter: me either Sera
[11:29] Poppet McGimsie: jack, I hope SL is thinking to trump facebook by not making it spo only developers can build on it
[11:29] Trouble Streeter: Mel, those are called bunnies
[11:29] Kristaki Hudson: aha ok thank you for reply i might have miss the reply sorry
[11:29] Rockwell Ginsberg: yea seriously, dont kill the mainland and inworld business cause you want a web interface
[11:29] Jack Linden: We’re not going to diminish what we’re good at – the 3d immersive virtual world – we understand that we’re not facebook. But it makes a lot of sense that we look at ways to let people bring their socialweb stuff into SL for example
[11:29] Dimentox Travanti: Why focus on the browser? Why not work on things like Flash UI for the client.. Or getting rid of the bad XUI design in favor of something more modular like QT? The rendering engine could use focus not the web interface… People dont say eww sl cause its not in a browser they do it cause the default avatar mesh and stuff is bad… How long have we had the noobie chicken walk… Your missing the focus of what needs to be done..instead your going ooo something shiny over here…
[11:29] LisaDeanna Zhora: Someone asked, “Jack, can YOU fire M?”" I would like to know also.
[11:29] Shila Szondi: lol Melody
[11:29] Aizur Zessinthal: Integrate chat and your friends on SL, possibly allow you to manipulate some inworld items, or evern get a snapshot of what is going on in your SL right now, but full acess? You’ll be dumped from Facebook the first time someone has a bad virutal sex experience Jack.
[11:29] Trouble Streeter: if I wanted my socialweb, I’d be offline and on Facebook
[11:29] CarpeDiem Turbo: ty
[11:29] Sera Lok: exactly
[11:29] Trouble Streeter: what I wanted was here. which you’re hellbent on destroying
[11:29] Sylva Petrov: Well, lets have more groups, better group tools, improved chat features….
[11:30] CarpeDiem Turbo: amen trouble
[11:30] Uni Ninetails: Wanna stop diminishing Seconlife Jack. get Mark out the fucking driving seat NOW
[11:30] Rockwell Ginsberg: SL and facebook are separate for me
[11:30] RedMokum Bravin: How about the ever increasing number of less democratic countries that have totally banned Facebook, but so far not SL?
[11:30] Tarina Sewell: I do not use facebook
[11:30] Melody Regent: “[11:29] Jack Linden: We’re not going to diminish what we’re good at” – Then why are you doing that?
[11:30] Qie Niangao: *Flash* ? You gotta be kidding, especially after last week
[11:30] Sera Lok: nod, all these sweeping changes… and the big bugs inworld get left
[11:30] LisaDeanna Zhora: This was all good until Phil left and M took over
[11:30] Sera Lok: like the Mono bug
[11:30] Nikolai Holfe: I dont even use facebook ?
[11:30] Trouble Streeter: do I *want* y’all looking at pics of my RL kids? umm… no. nothingpersonal y’all understand…
[11:30] Rockwell Ginsberg: just look at mainland prices jack dude the market is telling you something
[11:30] Sylva Petrov: …what’s facebook?
[11:30] Dennis Lagan: Jack, i woulmd seriously concider starting to solve that question how to get rid of M. he is quiet mad you know.
[11:30] Bitsy Giano: wouln’t it be a lot easier if we gave him a chance to answer, and then asked spefics when done? and more productive?
[11:30] wildorchid Fairymeadow: sl and face book are nothing alike..as far as i am concerned…
[11:30] LisaDeanna Zhora: for kids Sylva IMHO
[11:30] Rockwell Ginsberg: yea fire Kingdon
[11:30] Poppet McGimsie: look more people coming to sl is good, tapping into money and time people are spending now on farmville (a pale pale thing that bunnies and chickens in sl do much better) shows how much money and time people are will to spend
[11:30] Miss Wright: Ok I would like to say something about bringing more people to SL, I have an extensive marketing background and I truly believe that SL isnt hitting the right market with their advertising, the biggest clientele on the grid is role play, it supports almost all businesses from clothing, weapons, gadgets, but when you go to the second life web page all you see is a picture of a girl shopping, it really turns a lot of people off, you guys got millions of people that hit the SL page when you released viewer 2.0. but hardly any registers… why? cause the way SL is represented on the site and advertising it looks , excuse the term, very girlie and silly
[11:31] CarpeDiem Turbo: you guys seem to think we want everyone in the world to know our rl’s
[11:31] Shila Szondi: Jack are you prepared to face the lawsuits of having that bridge and lack of security on facebook brought to sl. Many employers go to facebook to check up on employees. Im here in sl and want my privacy. If that is taken, I will be the first to launch a lawsuit
[11:31] Sylva Petrov: oooh. my 8 year old likes that
[11:31] Jack Linden: Dimentox, I think that’s a very valid question. We do have to be much better at explaining the tradeoffs we make when we decide to do thing X instead of Y; however, in many cases the teams and skills involved don’t overlap so we often can’t just bend a team to do a completely different piece of development
[11:31] LisaDeanna Zhora: See
[11:31] LisaDeanna Zhora: *giggles*
[11:31] Rockwell Ginsberg: good point miss wright
[11:31] wildorchid Fairymeadow: which reminds me my farm needs plowing..LOL
[11:31] CarpeDiem Turbo: lol wild
[11:31] Trouble Streeter hopes Jack takes the time after this to look at the chatlog. Please tell me you have chatlogging enabled, Jack, and ask me if you don’t ill tell you how…
[11:31] Sera Lok: right.. like how v2 had 1st life profile tab as the major point of focus.. NO! BAD!
[11:31] Driftwood Miles: Godd ole Doodles Linden
[11:31] Equinox Pinion: Jack is your stragety to have less estate owners and just big ones so you save on support costs ?
[11:31] Nikolai Holfe: Jack where would you like Sl to be in 2 years time ?
[11:31] Melody Regent: I can send him the NC with it, or he look at our Linden Blog Trouble
[11:31] Melody Regent:
[11:31] LisaDeanna Zhora whispers in Jacks ear… psstt hey you, can you fire M?
[11:32] Driftwood Miles: Agreed Equi!
[11:32] Trouble Streeter: hahaha
[11:32] Jack Linden: Miss Wright, that’s good feedback. I think we have seen in our surveys and data how important the roleplay element of Second Life is.
[11:32] Alexxa Despres: <<wonders the same thing, Equi
[11:32] Melody Regent: No he cant Fire M Lisa
[11:32] Sylva Petrov: I think that is core of the issue here – that SO many major problems – IP security, Group features, the fact we can’t use /italics/ wich even yahoo chat can do…
[11:32] Tarina Sewell: Surveys…
[11:32] CarpeDiem Turbo: m=Maggie?
[11:32] LisaDeanna Zhora: Well someone needs to and fast!
[11:32] Rockwell Ginsberg: jack jsut go into m’s office and fire him ok
[11:32] Jack Linden: Trouble, I always read back through the chatlog. It’s tough when there are a lot of Qs, and yes i do miss a bunch.
[11:32] Ciaran Laval: Keeo going down this path Jack and those rleplayers will be sending you plenty of curses of agony
[11:32] Aizur Zessinthal: stripping is RP, building is RP, rp is rp….its all RP here in some way.
[11:32] Sylva Petrov: yeah, what’s with the survey popup
[11:32] Melody Regent: M = DEO of LL
[11:32] wildorchid Fairymeadow: ㋡
[11:32] Melody Regent: CEO*
[11:32] Trouble Streeter:
[11:32] Sylva Petrov: i answered the durn thing
[11:32] CarpeDiem Turbo: dont get me started on the xstreet survay
[11:32] Sylva Petrov: why won’t it leave me alone now
[11:32] CarpeDiem Turbo: pos
[11:32] Rockwell Ginsberg: jack is boss of M
[11:32] Rockwell Ginsberg: based on inworld respect
[11:32] Tarina Sewell: I dont trust those to much as the one you have had for weeks on xstreet cant keep “do not bother me again” records
[11:33] Tammy Nowotny: the survey was OK the first 1000 times
[11:33] Sonya Haight: no M is boss of Jack Rockwell
[11:33] Cara Ametza: XStreetSL griefs everyone everytime they visit the site
[11:33] Trouble Streeter: Sylva, it’s SL trying to be FB. Which has told me to confirm my @#$% email address 12 times now in the past week.
[11:33] Aizur Zessinthal: Cause it is broken. Are you guys even getting feedback on that Jack? (No need to answer, I am venting)
[11:33] Flier Straaf: when the questions are missed, Jack, do you answer them in some fashion? or are they just left hanging out there?
[11:33] Uni Ninetails: Speaking of xstreet. can you provide any info on the “upgrade” Jack?
[11:33] Cara Ametza: who do we file the AR against?
[11:33] Sylva Petrov: i can sure remember you signed in asking it to speak japanese from visit to visit
[11:33] Cara Ametza: which Linden designed that survey?
[11:33] CarpeDiem Turbo: I have taken that damn suvey 20 times and clilcke leave me the hell alone 6000
[11:33] Sylva Petrov: but not that i said ‘show me adult stuff’
[11:33] LisaDeanna Zhora: Just tell M to grab the coffee and donuts when you all have a RL meeting and tell him not to touch or say anything pertaining to SL anymore!
[11:33] Tarina Sewell: I think that survey is broken
[11:33] CarpeDiem Turbo: it is beyond broken
[11:34] Summer Windlow: if you all think that ‘M’ is the problem here then i would suggest everyone takes time to write down there greavences with sl and post it to him it needs to be done on mass as a protest maybe?
[11:34] Jack Linden: Equinox, that’s a dastardly notion! Noo, we are not trying to do that. It’s true that we have a very long tail of small estates and not many large ones. I think most companies would see more weight at the top end – but no, we’re not deliberately trying to force a change
[11:34] Sylva Petrov: Can’t you guys send M on a ‘factfinding tour’ to tibet or something?
[11:34] CarpeDiem Turbo: it never worked to begin with… great faith in the new marketplace linden WAY TO GO
[11:34] LisaDeanna Zhora: He’ll be a good, (ezcuse my french) Office Bitch!
[11:34] Bitsy Giano: you mean you didn’t take it the 1582 times it asked you to/
[11:34] Poppet McGimsie: I dunno, I can see why they want to try to do something drastic now, since SL has stabilized into a niche and not growing, they have to tap into a new demographic
[11:34] Miss Wright: I actually requested my own registration page because I am attempting to attract a MMO crowd that desires more RP, and we advertise outside of secondlife, but the moment they go from my dark scary exciting webpage to the picture of the girl shopping, its a real bummer, although I am getting more and more people that said they joined SL because of our web advertising, just to come see us
[11:34] Equinox Pinion: OK THANKS
[11:34] Equinox Pinion: ooops sorry
[11:34] Poppet McGimsie: not suprising they’d pick something like facebook, which has been exploding
[11:34] Melody Regent: Dont Yell Equinox
[11:34] Jack Linden: That’s awesome Miss
[11:35] LisaDeanna Zhora: IM sorry, but ssl has gotten worse since M came into the picture
[11:35] Equinox Pinion: i said sorry mel
[11:35] CarpeDiem Turbo: ok who is ” M ”
[11:35] Bitsy Giano: Mark
[11:35] CarpeDiem Turbo: ty
[11:35] Melody Regent: M Linden
[11:35] LisaDeanna Zhora: M Linden
[11:35] wildorchid Fairymeadow: We Are Mushrooms…kept in the dark, fed BS and then pick off when they want a trip without leaving the room…
[11:35] Bitsy Giano: the CEO
[11:35] Sonya Haight: Mark Kingdom the CEO
[11:35] Sylva Petrov: (is this place running on some uber server, cuz i’m not lagging all to pieces here…)
[11:35] CarpeDiem Turbo: took phillips place
[11:35] Melody Regent: LOL wild!
[11:35] Sylva Petrov: (where do i get one for my sim?)
[11:35] Jack Linden: I must admit, even my Alt has become a little tired with the surveying. We should probably be a little more mindful of how much we do that but it’s very useful to get that kind of feedback
[11:35] Aizur Zessinthal: It is awesome that Miss Wright has been able to grow Sl Jack, but it is reprehensible no tools exist from LL to facilitate this.
[11:35] Sera Lok: i believe that he is making too many changes at once, we have SO much to be upset about
[11:35] Rockwell Ginsberg: Jack fix land sales search ok please that is key to smooth function of land market which is how you get paid — its been wonky for too long. Mainland is dead.
[11:35] Athena Madrigal: hey they fixed that survey thing on xstreet
[11:36] Flier Straaf: Useful….if anything real is done with the feedback…..
[11:36] Nikolai Holfe: isnt M the james bond guy ?
[11:36] Driftwood Miles: Jack, thanks for answering Equi’s question, as for dasterdly…well, whether you are doing it as a matter of policy or not…it is happening. Smaller estates are so badly squeezed curently and so are midsize…..yet ACS are being allowed advantages that mean it is only a matter of time before she dominates completely the land market
[11:36] Sylva Petrov: and Q
[11:36] CarpeDiem Turbo: please for the love of god kill the survay my xstreet sales have droped 75% at least
[11:36] Uni Ninetails: Jack Marketplace rollout, any info?
[11:36] Flier Straaf: that is Q, Nikolai!
[11:36] Sylva Petrov: problem is M is in the lab in this case
[11:36] Nikolai Holfe: M is the head boss guy though
[11:36] Sylva Petrov: and Q has been laid off
[11:36] Nikolai Holfe: no awit
[11:36] Nikolai Holfe: wait Q is the lady
[11:36] Nikolai Holfe: my bad
[11:36] Dennis Lagan: jack, ever heared of cookies that survive a session.? thats how you solve Xstreet asking over and over!
[11:36] Poppet McGimsie: it’s not the surveying per se, it’s the fact the xstreet one wasn’t set up right, so it asks you to servey everytime you swtich to a new page, unless you tell it to shut up, and then starts all over again the next time you go there
[11:36] Nikolai Holfe: oh no
[11:36] Nikolai Holfe: blah i know , nevermind lol
[11:36] Summer Windlow: someone post his name and business address in forum and those who wish to address him directly with their concerns can do so not so easy to ignore when you are buried in letters of complaint
[11:37] Jack Linden: Sera, one of the biggest outcomes from this week will be that we will focus down on fewer projects. We need to raise the quality bar higher and we’ve had too much stuff in flight
[11:37] Athena Madrigal: hey dennis they fixed it
[11:37] Tarina Sewell: Exactly poppet
[11:37] Bitsy Giano: Jack, I think most can agree here, we have all put a lot of investment, time and effort into building businesses in sl and are just looking for a little security and reason to continue doing so. Choices made have a very real effect on all content creators in SL
[11:37] Equinox Pinion: who is responsible now for xstreet jack now that pink got fired
[11:37] Sylva Petrov: I can believe that, Jack
[11:37] Sylva Petrov: Too many Irons in the fire
[11:37] LisaDeanna Zhora: Dennis, that must be about the survey thing that keeps popping up without logging into SLX… thats annoying as hell
[11:37] Cara Ametza: fewer projects, so can viewer 2.0 be pushed off now?
[11:37] CarpeDiem Turbo: yup
[11:37] Rockwell Ginsberg: reign in M Linden
[11:37] CarpeDiem Turbo: 2.0 is the worst thing EVER
[11:37] Melody Regent: We, Your clients, have been telling you that for over a year Jack
[11:37] Rockwell Ginsberg: ^
[11:37] CarpeDiem Turbo: it is not NOOB friendly at all
[11:37] Jack Linden: Bitsy, well said. Couldn’t agree more.
[11:37] Cara Ametza: because that is a disaster from the ground up honestly for so many creators, builders and even new residents that land
[11:38] Driftwood Miles: Anshe dumped 50 ish estates right next to Tribe Islands…….they are being offered up at tier to the end user at 120us……..THAT will kill us!
[11:38] Alexxa Despres: <<thinks M should have office hours )
[11:38] Sylva Petrov: well, not the worst thing – there’s still Backstreet Boys
[11:38] Qie Niangao: would be good to know which programs get shelved… so we aren’t waiting for mesh if it’s not gonna happen soon, for example
[11:38] Poppet McGimsie: well everything that is ever happening now is the worst thing ever haha
[11:38] LisaDeanna Zhora: No! Dont let him go until we all have had the chance to shoot him with something )
[11:38] Athena Madrigal: hey lisadeanna they fixed it – say no and it doesnt happen any more
[11:38] Aki Shichiroji: to what degree should those projects decrease though, when some are integral to the growth of the platform? :/
[11:38] CarpeDiem Turbo: lol sylva
[11:38] Sera Lok: thank you Jack, I hope this will result in better communication. Because often I feel as if the first L of LL doesn’t know what the second L of LL is doing:)
[11:38] CarpeDiem Turbo: and miley cirus
[11:38] Ciaran Laval: How about script limits? Is that still happening considering babbage is gone
[11:38] Kristaki Hudson: jack linden it be nice if sometimes M linden can do a meeting with all of us landlords working hard to manage our estates and that we can also sometimes have a chat with him to have a comunication with the ceo 1 time a month what you think on this comunication is important in secondlife i think
[11:38] Sera Lok: and oh yeah. we all hate 2.0
[11:38] Tarina Sewell: Good question
[11:39] Jack Linden: Qie, as we did last quarter, we’ll be blogging to let the community know what to expect in Q3 as far as deliverables and fixes are concerned.
[11:39] Sylva Petrov: I want to take a moment to say – Jack, thanks for a) still being here and b) somehow making sense of this chaotic spew of characters.
[11:39] Sera Lok: curses on M for forcing out 2.0
[11:39] LisaDeanna Zhora: Agreed Sera! 100%
[11:39] Sera Lok: curses.
[11:39] Aki Shichiroji: there are some key issues relating to Mono, and surely LL wishes to be an acceptable competitor to other VWs which allow for mesh import?
[11:39] Poppet McGimsie: agrees with Bitty, and begs Jack for some reassurance
[11:39] Tarina Sewell: Script limits?
[11:39] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Oh! God My Get-a life done Got a away..from me where to go now for My life..i spend Hundreds of dollars on..
[11:39] Dimentox Travanti: Seriously jack i dont know how many times we have jiraed it and such but the MONO bug is killing us.. Every avatar rezing in with their resizing scripts etc.. slams a sim down to nothing… We will we get a fix??? The sims feel like a Commidore 64 computer instead of a multi core server….
[11:39] Opensource Obscure: Jack, kudos for being able to sustain such a meeting! really awesome.
[11:39] Uni Ninetails: Jack better blog fast FUD spreads fast.
[11:39] Cara Ametza: T Linden (the one responsible for viewer 2.0 to my knowledge) should have been in that 30% I think personally
[11:39] Opensource Obscure: bye everybody
[11:39] Qie Niangao: Thanks. I expect Kelly has the lead on script limits, and fixing the Mono rezzing bug now
[11:39] Tammy Nowotny: TY Jack, if you are still here.
[11:39] Bronson Blackadder: I have a question
[11:39] Bronson Blackadder: meow?
[11:39] Rockwell Ginsberg: fire M
[11:39] Sylva Petrov: If you get the pinkslip, i need a scripter for my store
[11:40] Rockwell Ginsberg: tell the BOD
[11:40] Sera Lok: 2.0 is just….. UGH. seriously
[11:40] Joshe Darkstone: and the search crew, en-masse
[11:40] Jack Linden: Dimentox, I believe that is still be worked on but I’d need to check up
[11:40] CarpeDiem Turbo: really
[11:40] Melody Regent: Bronson, you need to ask it so he can see it
[11:40] wildorchid Fairymeadow: really jack is amazing for being able to take this kind of beating and remain here..I would have left the building..
[11:40] CarpeDiem Turbo: 2.0drives ppl away
[11:40] Sera Lok: Yes, the mono bug is INSANE
[11:40] Tarina Sewell: That would not have looked good
[11:40] Tarina Sewell: to leave..
[11:40] Trouble Streeter: indeed Sera, that’s an understatement
[11:40] Dimentox Travanti: The jiras been open since the mono beta..
[11:40] Equinox Pinion: what is the average sm price for the mainland at the moment jack?
[11:40] Sera Lok: why hasn’t it been fixed yet?
[11:40] Joshe Darkstone: its a virtual beating
[11:40] Rockwell Ginsberg: 2.0 land sales search is an insult to anyone who participated in the mainland market
[11:41] LisaDeanna Zhora: Jack.. would there be or could there be, or is there something that tells us WHO is in charge of what and whos rolls they play in Linden Labs Research? Say like a list of CEO’s Employees, hint
[11:41] Marcusgay Lefevre: just an easy question, when answered I`ll poof out to support my customer – may i expect a land expo this year?
[11:41] Trouble Streeter: because we needed web on a prim, Sera
[11:41] Tarina Sewell: Beating or voicing concerns an opinions
[11:41] CarpeDiem Turbo: 2.0 is a insult all around
[11:41] Tarina Sewell: drama!
[11:41] Rockwell Ginsberg: feedback
[11:41] Sera Lok: lol,, oh yeah, i forgot about that Trouble
[11:41] Charlene Trudeau: 2.0 has some issues but now that I’m used to it, I won’t go back
[11:41] Tarina Sewell: feedback
[11:41] Cara Ametza: LisaDeanna has a really good idea, a list of who does what would be really great
[11:41] Trouble Streeter: see? It’s easy
[11:41] Charlene Trudeau: there are things I would very much like to see fixed
[11:41] Tarina Sewell: (waits for the sim to suddenly crash)
[11:41] Cara Ametza: make it easier to know who to contact about issues, problems etc
[11:41] CarpeDiem Turbo: lal tarina
[11:41] Sera Lok: as a builder i cannot use 2.0
[11:41] Jack Linden: Equinox, it’s low.. it’s been down around L$3 or lower depending on the continent. The oldest continent actually does well, as does the area north and south of Nautilus
[11:42] Equinox Pinion: ok thanks
[11:42] Kristaki Hudson: jack linden be a good plan to separate hs and fps on the landsearch that they dont show all results in same windows to tick hs or fp then search result shows up i am on old version and not sure if this is on new version
[11:42] Trouble Streeter: Cara, that would mean they’d have to ahve an org chart
[11:42] Sylva Petrov: Jack – A question about the upcoming script limits. Do you have anywhere I can find the actual numbers of what personal and sim script limits will be?
[11:42] CarpeDiem Turbo: anyone here notice that the lindens are using a estate and NOT a mainland here
[11:42] CarpeDiem Turbo: tells ya something hu
[11:42] Rockwell Ginsberg: Mainland is dead.
[11:42] Sylva Petrov: i still think it’s a beefed up estate too
[11:42] Sylva Petrov: prolly on it’s own server
[11:42] CarpeDiem Turbo: prob
[11:42] Tarina Sewell: 4 hamsters
[11:42] Sylva Petrov: can i mail ya’ll a server to put mine on?
[11:42] Dimentox Travanti: Script limits is a bailing wire and duct tape fix for a real problem which is the scripting VM/Sandbox.
[11:42] Eddi Decosta: about the v2, i have fixed the [OK] and [Cancel] button here cause i see some people dont like that: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-706
[11:43] CarpeDiem Turbo: i hear the Aflac duck got hired by linden labs
[11:43] Aizur Zessinthal: 4 hamsters….and a gerbil!
[11:43] Tarina Sewell smiles
[11:43] Charlene Trudeau: oh, thank you, Eddi
[11:43] Miss Wright: I do have a question, will residents be able to purchase a dedicated server for their land at a higher price?
[11:43] Charlene Trudeau: that one slays me
[11:43] Jack Linden: Sylva, in the wake of the current org changes we’ll need to look at that and other projects and then re-communicate on them. As mentioned, it’ll probably be me who will blog about Q3 and what you folks should expect to see coming up
[11:43] Melody Regent: damn, I will have that duck shouting in the back of my head all say
[11:43] Miss Wright: in the future?
[11:43] Melody Regent: day*
[11:43] Sylva Petrov: Thank you Jack
[11:43] Eddi Decosta: welcome Charlene ㋡
[11:43] CarpeDiem Turbo: good question m w
[11:43] LisaDeanna Zhora: I wouldn’t be surprised Carpe. for all the injuries about to happen
[11:44] Jack Linden: Miss Wright, not short term, no.
[11:44] Equinox Pinion: jack you told us that viewer 2.0 makes more new people stay in sl..how do you explain the decreasing concurrent numbers per day?
[11:44] Miss Wright: what do you consider short term
[11:44] Nikolai Holfe: lol
[11:44] CarpeDiem Turbo: just once id like a linden to answer a question with OUT including we will gewt back to you latetr on that
[11:44] Miss Wright: i have had my island 4 years
[11:44] RedMokum Bravin: This must be the toughest OH to lead… incomparible with the hours of some Lindens who just play and make jokes.
[11:44] CarpeDiem Turbo: Get*
[11:44] Bronson Blackadder: its the beggining of summer… numbers always decrease in the summer
[11:44] Aizur Zessinthal: So JAck, I’ma noob on corp-speak. Doe sthat mean you intend to blog on the restructuring in general and give us an idea of who is in charge of what now, and also on the re-prioritization of projects being worked on by the New anD Improved Linden Labs?
[11:44] Nikolai Holfe: short term usually to my experience is about less than 6 months
[11:45] Sylva Petrov: hehe, Jack was brave even logging in, given the news of the last 48 hours
[11:45] Trouble Streeter: Carpe… ask “Can I have a straight answer please?” that will get you a direct answer… “no”
[11:45] CarpeDiem Turbo: what about the rumor that the Governce team was let go.. if that is true what about AR’s and other important issues
[11:45] CarpeDiem Turbo: lol trouble
[11:45] Jack Linden: Equinox, well.. as you know the concurrent users are mostly not using Viewer 2.0. So it isn’t a direct correlation there, and there are other factors at play such as different viewers, their respective crash rates, the impact of bots etc
[11:45] Equinox Pinion: ok thanks
[11:46] Tarina Sewell: I dont like bots
[11:46] Tarina Sewell: at all
[11:46] Jack Linden: Viewer 1.23 remains in play because we know we have more to fix in Viewer 2.
[11:46] CarpeDiem Turbo: what about the rumor that the Governce team was let go.. if that is true what about AR’s and other important issues
[11:46] Sylva Petrov: only impact of bot abuse should be the LInden boot in the butt of anyone still found using them wrong
[11:46] Bronson Blackadder: thank god
[11:46] Aizur Zessinthal: bots need to be gone, but to really do that, traffic numbers need to increase.
[11:46] Aki Shichiroji: are there plans to make 2.0 more friendly to builders?
[11:46] LisaDeanna Zhora: And when will LL force 2.0 on us
[11:46] Driftwood Miles: that doesn’t answer why the numbers are going down?
[11:46] Trouble Streeter: and they don’t, Sylva, at least not by my watch of clubs using bots to game traffic
[11:46] Adaarye Shikami: So when you all “fix” 2.0, you’re going to get rid of the old format?
[11:46] Dennis Lagan: jack, just port back the new stiff to viewer 1.23 , and you are done
[11:46] Sylva Petrov: i said ‘should’
[11:46] CarpeDiem Turbo: the numbers are going down driftwood cause ppl are leaving sl
[11:46] Summer Windlow: i would like to hear the answer to this..>what about the rumor that the Governce team was let go.. if that is true what about AR’s and other important issues
[11:47] Cara Ametza: can we stop fixing viewer 2.0 and move onto something that really works?
[11:47] Jack Linden: Aizur, I’m really referring to us talking about the projects and product changes you should expect to see in Q3, and into Q4.
[11:47] Trouble Streeter: they don’t really care.. oh. yes. “should”. my bad.
[11:47] Ciaran Laval: How are you going to fix viewer 2 and move to a browser based virtual world when you’ve let so many staff go? Outsourcing?
[11:47] Driftwood Miles: not according to the Lindens
[11:47] Sylva Petrov: there is no bots
[11:47] Tarina Sewell: What advertising doe LL do? TV? Paper? Magazines?
[11:47] Imaze Rhiano: Are memory limits coming? how high limits we should except?
[11:47] Jack Linden: Summer, the team was not let go. Some individuals were let go, sadly.
[11:47] Bronson Blackadder: I see asdvertising for SL in youtube
[11:47] CarpeDiem Turbo: ty jack
[11:47] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Magazines and csi..
[11:48] Summer Windlow: ty jack
[11:48] Bronson Blackadder: and various blogs
[11:48] wildorchid Fairymeadow: true
[11:48] RedMokum Bravin: Plans for Europe in a blog, please? Just founding a new office didn’t help.
[11:48] Dimentox Travanti: have you guys seriously considered like Dumping the offical LL viewer and Going with a tpv which has a more active community oriented development? Which would free up the staff to work on server side stability? Or even taking in a TPV as a base instead of focusing on 2.0?
[11:48] Jack Linden: Ciaran, I don’t believe we’ve said we’re moving to a browser based virtual world.
[11:48] Cara Ametza: so how are those AR’s going to be handled now? Cause frankly people get out of control and it usually takes a phone call to get anything actually done about abuse.
[11:48] Sylva Petrov: actually WE are their main advertisers
[11:48] Aizur Zessinthal: Knowledge of the corporate structure and how groups have been reorganized would help your customers in talking to the right parties for issues they may have. I can’t believe there is going to be one single unti assigned to all tasks, that is just silly.
[11:48] Bitsy Giano: there was a comment in the press release to that effect Jack
[11:48] Tarina Sewell: Should do a commercial to rival go daddy
[11:48] wildorchid Fairymeadow: true..I tell everyone to get a life on Second life
[11:48] Sylva Petrov snerks
[11:48] Bitsy Giano: that it was the long term goal to have a browser based interface with no additional software
[11:49] CarpeDiem Turbo: Sl Girl instead of the go daddy girl.. Dana Capatric
[11:49] Bitsy Giano: which is why the concern
[11:49] Tarina Sewell nods
[11:49] Tarina Sewell: thats hot
[11:49] CarpeDiem Turbo: super hot
[11:49] CarpeDiem Turbo: lol
[11:49] Aizur Zessinthal: Jenna Jameson as the SL girl?
[11:49] CarpeDiem Turbo: o.O
[11:49] CarpeDiem Turbo: Wewtwewt o.O
[11:49] Sylva Petrov: noooo!
[11:49] Bitsy Giano: no my knowledge modern browsers would not sustain this format
[11:49] Tarina Sewell: yeah!
[11:49] Aki Shichiroji: Bitsy: my understanding is that doesn’t mean they’ll throw the current client access out
[11:49] Jack Linden: Dimentox, all things are considered, especially where we feel it can help the product and our residents. So yes, those kinds of things are discussed.
[11:49] Tarina Sewell: I mean who is that?
[11:49] Bitsy Giano: to my knowledge sorry
[11:49] Ciaran Laval: nah Jenna Jameson closed her island ages ago
[11:49] LisaDeanna Zhora: Oh god Aizur shes old
[11:49] CarpeDiem Turbo: lol yea right tarina
[11:49] Sera Lok will let go of 1.23 kicking and screaming if 2.0 is not worked out. i can’t believe the huge bugs in this *official* viewer!
[11:50] Sassy Romano: Jennnnnna Jameson had her name changed by LL
[11:50] Aizur Zessinthal: SO is most of SL.
[11:50] LisaDeanna Zhora: or should I say , used up
[11:50] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Yesah she used to be an escort
[11:50] Zoha Boa: Jack, how do you help your residents (other estates), by giving special deals toONE other estate ?
[11:50] Sera Lok: my customers walk around looking like idiots with a hand up because they don’t know how to deselect things because of a bug
[11:50] Joshe Darkstone: jack, have none of the search engine fixes that we talked about for june been rolled out yet?
[11:50] Ciaran Laval: Jack you said you wanted to eliminate the need to download a client, whereas that doesn’t mean you’ll do away with the client option it does mean you have a big project ahead and now have less staff
[11:50] Sera Lok: joshe, he said a week, i believe
[11:50] Joshe Darkstone: all are pending? because i see no change
[11:50] Cara Ametza: oh Sera that’s easy, give them instructions on how to download another viewer like Emerald or something lol
[11:51] Cara Ametza: suddenly they are found after they login again and are so grateful they spend lots!
[11:51] Sonya Haight: I see no change either Joshe, other than sales getting lower and lower because of it, pushing us out the door
[11:51] Aizur Zessinthal points to Cara and nods
[11:51] Joshe Darkstone: yes but it was supposed to be a rollout, some early, so,e later
[11:51] Jack Linden: Joshe, we’re aiming for the next web release later this month
[11:51] LisaDeanna Zhora: Jack, when will LL force 2.0 on us or will they let us continue to use 1.23
[11:51] Aizur Zessinthal: Jack does that web realease affect in-world search?
[11:51] Joshe Darkstone: jack, so thats with everything, and nothing at all done in between?
[11:51] CarpeDiem Turbo: when will the market place be released and are you STILL going to GET RID of bb Code???
[11:51] Joshe Darkstone: i dont know what a web release means
[11:52] Tarina Sewell: me either
[11:52] Jack Linden: Ciaran, it doesn’t mean necessarily replacing the Viewer with a browser one. We’re looking at various ways to enhance the existing virtual world and to make it easier for people to see into it and appreciate what it offers.
[11:52] Equinox Pinion: Jack.how far is that wiki page you promised about private estates…and the MOTD promoting us
[11:52] Driftwood Miles: necessarily
[11:53] Joshe Darkstone: so our issues with in-world search are now waiting for an external product release? wow – nice
[11:53] Jack Linden: LisaDeanna, I think it depends on how things go with 2.1. I don’t have a date for you I’m afraid.
[11:53] wildorchid Fairymeadow: 7 mins foks..
[11:53] Cara Ametza: perhaps enhancements should be held off until other issues are fixed?
[11:53] LisaDeanna Zhora: OK thank
[11:53] Bitsy Giano: press release maybe should have been worded a little differently?
[11:53] Alexxa Despres: Agreed Cara!!!!
[11:53] CarpeDiem Turbo: Jack Linden.::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::..when will the new market place be released and are you STILL going to GET RID of bb Code???
[11:53] Cara Ametza: having a stable backbone to work with before adding things on seems to be a rather brilliant idea
[11:53] Ciaran Laval: Sure Jack, but you have less people to engage in those tasks now, you’re going to be more stretched and you’re talking of narrowing your focus, something has to give
[11:53] Summer Windlow: well ty for the answers i did get. im sory you have had to ‘let people go’ sadly on top of everything else jack all its made me sure of……. is that i wont be leaving any money in sl i will get it out and into pay pal straight away. you need to think about that you are not reasuring people x sorry to say that but its true
[11:53] Rockwell Ginsberg: Jack – all I see released on the website is Total Square Meters Sold by Residents: May 2010 avg 0.7212, June 2010 avg 0.5181 L$ Paid Per Square Meter – will LL sit by idly and watch mainland values go to zero?
[11:53] Jack Linden: Joshe, a web release yes. We do two web releases a month typically
[11:54] Jack Linden: Ciaran, no question. Hence my point about us doing fewer things.
[11:54] Joshe Darkstone: a web release is not a new product then? do you mean a relase of the new viewer to the web page? im confused, whats a web release?
[11:54] Sera Lok: so what *won’t* you be doing?
[11:54] Equinox Pinion: Jack.how far is that wiki page you promised about private estates…and the MOTD promoting us
[11:54] Aizur Zessinthal: web release is a very vauge term Jack. Do you mean a push to live game, a push to the web site? Both are on the web but the term is highly ambiguous.
[11:54] Joshe Darkstone: so an update of viewer 2.0
[11:54] Dimentox Travanti: You mentioned role play being a core part of SL now and such… Why cant we get more tools to assist with better Intergrating MMO/Role play systems into sl. The TPV being gpl hurts any frame work which needs security… And to be honest most of us have pushed SL to its limits… What exactly are LLs priorities?
[11:55] Ciaran Laval: Web release is a search update? Search is separate from the viewer in viewer 2
[11:55] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Thank You For Your Time Jack…Have a great Week see Next week With Answers…YES?
[11:55] Liisa Runo: SL should offer more, not try to make people appreciate what it offers by new client
[11:55] Rockwell Ginsberg: Jack will LL do nothing to intervene in mainland average price paid trending to zero? Im looking at the data on ur website.
[11:55] Jack Linden: Joshe, i mean a push to the website. We queue up changes to the web properties (html assets) and then test/QA them before pushing them out. So the main website, auction site, xstreet and also the search stuff
[11:55] Joshe Darkstone: ic, thx
[11:56] Aizur Zessinthal: Thank you Jack, now sicne those are all search based, is that going to affect the In-World searc engine or not?
[11:56] LisaDeanna Zhora: Is the marketplace going to happen as planned?
[11:56] LisaDeanna Zhora: Forgive me if thats been answered
[11:56] CarpeDiem Turbo: ill ask again just incase it was missed Jack Linden.::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::..when will the new market place be released and are you STILL going to GET RID of bb Code???
[11:56] Jack Linden: Rockwell, I know it’s not fun seeing mainland prices so low. We are giving it a lot of thought right now.
[11:56] Uni Ninetails: so they just migrated the marketplace, we will not see the new website for weeks?
[11:56] Jack Linden: Aizur. yes it’s all the same search
[11:56] Equinox Pinion: Jack.how far is that wiki page you promised about private estates…and the MOTD promoting us
[11:56] Rockwell Ginsberg: well let me know if you need a resident advisor Jack
[11:57] Timo Daehlie: Stop auctioning land for 0.5 as a start jack ..
[11:57] Jack Linden: LiseDeanna, yes the marketplace is still going ahead
[11:57] Aizur Zessinthal: THANK YOU!!!! Appreciate the clarification Jack. You’re a helluva guy.
[11:57] Liisa Runo: mainland will get better when Ll start to clean the lands owned by residends who been banned 3 years ago
[11:57] LisaDeanna Zhora: Great, thanks!
[11:57] Rockwell Ginsberg: yea Jack mainland needs some stimulus
[11:57] Timo Daehlie: double the free tier instead of a childish linden home
[11:57] Cara Ametza: I would like to see residents working with lindens who are real residents not people who login to just import creations and run
[11:57] CarpeDiem Turbo: so you skip right over my question again and refuse to answer it. if you dont know say so
[11:57] Jack Linden: Okay guys, I should leap into my next meeting. good crowd this week, thanks for coming along!
[11:57] Joshe Darkstone: jack, releasing 450 hs sims at reduced pricing to the grid while you are thinking about how to raise mainland prices? lawls
[11:57] Ciaran Laval: Cheers Jack
[11:57] Dimentox Travanti: thanks for your time.
[11:57] Qie Niangao: thanks Jack.
[11:57] Equinox Pinion: take care jack!
[11:57] Rockwell Ginsberg: fix land sales and fire M, you have your work cut out
[11:57] Sera Lok: thanks jack
[11:57] Shila Szondi: Jack..do you have any answers.. I keep seeing you say I dont have that information, I dont have that answer..Where do we get these answers?
[11:57] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Ciao Jack
[11:57] LisaDeanna Zhora: Have a good day Jack. thanks for the infos
[11:58] Trouble Streeter: ty jack
[11:58] Rockwell Ginsberg: lol
[11:58] Imaze Rhiano: bye jack
[11:58] Joshe Darkstone: well that was funner then usual
[11:58] Alexxa Despres: Bye jack
[11:58] Jack Linden waves
[11:58] Miss Wright: thank you
[11:58] CarpeDiem Turbo: bye
[11:58] Joshe Darkstone: thx jack
[11:58] Equinox Pinion: bye all
[11:58] LisaDeanna Zhora: Shila… guess you can ask M
[11:58] LisaDeanna Zhora: *giggles*
[11:58] Driftwood Miles: Ever get the impression you are getting royally shafted?
[11:58] Shila Szondi: laughs
[11:58] Rockwell Ginsberg: i hope the higher ups read that
[11:58] Zoha Boa: rockwell, all land prices do get a GREAT “stimulus” by LL, but then in the wrong directing, by dropping 500 grandfatheres sims on the grid
[11:58] CarpeDiem Turbo: yes
[11:58] CarpeDiem Turbo: i do driftwood
[11:58] Melody Regent: I call these meetings my “Smoke Blowing Lessons”
[11:58] Rockwell Ginsberg: tell me about the 500 sims?
[11:59] Miss Wright: ever get the impression you complain too much and are unappreciative *smiles* later folks
[11:59] CarpeDiem Turbo: i call it a joke
[11:59] Melody Regent: “How to blow smoke up a clients ass”
[11:59] LisaDeanna Zhora: Nah Drift.. with royal.. you can still feel it
[11:59] CarpeDiem Turbo: what was REALLY acomplished
[11:59] Shila Szondi: laughs so true Melody, was even one question answered straight?
[11:59] wildorchid Fairymeadow: LOL..I do driftwood…LOL WOW..sorry that sounded funny as hell
[11:59] Zoha Boa: Dreamland got a special deal last week, 500 HS sims with the grandfathered tier of 95Us$
[11:59] LisaDeanna Zhora: Have a great day all!
[11:59] Driftwood Miles: lmao
[11:59] Rockwell Ginsberg: idk how anshe stays in business, she has venture capital behind her i guess
[11:59] CarpeDiem Turbo: Nooooooo! wonder inwordlz virutal world is increasing so well
[11:59] Rockwell Ginsberg: well i know she does
[11:59] Melody Regent: Lets see what the bulk buy is, I hope he will tell us
[12:00] Emerald Isle: LandMark giver at Emerald Isle (Emerald Isle) has just been used by Stormy Eternal !
[12:00] Rockwell Ginsberg: lets bring back gambling whos with me
[12:00] Shila Szondi: okay so we all get together and buy as a group 500 sims
[12:00] Aizur Zessinthal: Yes, I got him to say for sure their next search publish is defintiely going to affect in-world search. So prepare for that to break next week.
[12:00] Cara Ametza: even with bulk buy, why have hundreds of sims if people are being run off by isuses?
[12:00] wildorchid Fairymeadow: I need a shower after that …meeting…J/k
[12:00] Cara Ametza: you need people to rent the land in order to afford to pay for it
[12:00] Qie Niangao: Melody, he just makes up a number a bit smaller than Anshe’s total holdings: that’s the entry level to the cheap homestead buys
[12:01] CarpeDiem Turbo: lol qie
[12:01] Shila Szondi: businesses close everyday here
[12:01] Rockwell Ginsberg: thats 50,000$ a month
[12:01] Rockwell Ginsberg: do you want that??
[12:01] Sonya Haight: Aizur he said sometime later this month
[12:01] Shila Szondi: and large ones that have been around a long time
[12:01] Rockwell Ginsberg: no thanks
[12:01] Emerald Isle: LandMark giver at Emerald Isle (Emerald Isle) has just been used by Thunder Icechant !
[12:01] Driftwood Miles: Having discounted buy price is fine…but Tier??
[12:01] Kristaki Hudson: do the maths buy in bulk is lot of cash then u have to wait to rent it has so much lands right now on market and if special deal is soon be at 125 tier what u plan to compete while u wait to rent tiers are running…. it might be a nice combat ground oh me oh my….
[12:01] Aizur Zessinthal: True, but still, he said they are definitely going to break…err, update in-world search.
[12:01] Rockwell Ginsberg: where is suspirira
[12:01] Cara Ametza: discounts on buy prices and tier should both be public info
[12:01] Sonya Haight: sorry that happened to you Driftwood, I would have to wrap it up and call it a day on that one
[12:02] Sylva Petrov: hehe new continent
[12:02] Sylva Petrov: i don’t see that happening
[12:02] CarpeDiem Turbo: i agrea cara
[12:02] CarpeDiem Turbo: agree*
[12:02] Melody Regent: If we can get a number from him and let us bulk buy but own in our own estates, I think he should let us. We will see. Otherwise we can talk about a consortium kinda thing. But I want to hear his numbers first.
[12:02] Kristaki Hudson: lindens must not raise in 2011 these hs or it be a mess what u think on this?
[12:02] Qie Niangao: omg, it’s Khamon!
[12:02] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Later all..Good to see ya ..hugs..
[12:02] Khamon Fate: Gosh it’s boggy here just like at The Graveyard.
[12:02] Qie Niangao waves
[12:02] Khamon Fate: Hi Qie
[12:02] Melody Regent: We decided not to grow more, becuase of the GF issue. But if we can buy bulk, then we need to consider it
[12:02] Dimentox Travanti: Bahh they are prepping to sell the labs i bet
[12:02] Khamon Fate: I happened to finish class early today.
[12:03] Rockwell Ginsberg: yea
[12:03] Khamon Fate: The students didn’t seem to mind ha ha ha
[12:03] Melody Regent: I have been saying that for a while now Dime
[12:03] CarpeDiem Turbo: ok well im gonna log into IW and finish setting up
[12:03] CarpeDiem Turbo: bye
[12:03] Kristaki Hudson: i think like you dear melody…. growing to keep empty lands and on other side is discounts is a mess… and unfair if ther eis a deal applied
[12:03] Dimentox Travanti: Reorg/get popular quick (read facebook) show a profit sell
[12:03] Khamon Fate: I’m taking odds that Jack has a sudden real life meeeeeting to attend.
[12:03] VISTA AO –Melody’s AO: ON
[12:03] Kristaki Hudson: and hten must recover investment landempty u pay tier while ono ther side is a deal if ther eis … kinda hard no
[12:04] Qie Niangao: oh, Khamon, he just left after his office hour here, maybe 5 minutes ago
[12:04] Tarina Sewell: If you dont advertis to the real world, and I dont mean facebook.. popularity can not possibly increase
[12:04] Aizur Zessinthal: Meeting it over already Khamon.
[12:04] Aizur Zessinthal: is*
[12:04] Khamon Fate: oh
[12:04] Khamon Fate: tnx
[12:04] Khamon Fate: I’ll tell me what happened
[12:04] Sonya Haight: he’s already at the other meeting
[12:05] Khamon Fate: nothing, absolutely nothing
[12:05] Uni Ninetails: ahwell have a good day im gonna lay down only take so muchbullshit in a day
[12:05] Alexxa Despres: Bye everyone…all have a nice weekend
[12:05] Dimentox Travanti: was a game of dodge ball
[12:06] Dimentox Travanti: question, dodge, question, political dodge
[12:06] Aizur Zessinthal: He confirmed without confirming that ACS got a tier discount on a large homestead purchase. I say confirmed bacuse he is going to look into publishing a set of standards for discounts on bulk purchases.
[12:06] Techwolf Lupindo returns “did we managed to fry jack?
[12:06] Aizur Zessinthal: because*
[12:07] Imaze Rhiano: umm.. did someone said that azure island are sold?
[12:07] Sonya Haight: ACS boght those hmm last month or month before?
[12:07] Sonya Haight: shoot what month is it now?
[12:07] Kristaki Hudson: imaze yeah been sold aparently
[12:07] Imaze Rhiano: ACS?
[12:07] Khamon Fate: Thanks Aizur
[12:07] Aizur Zessinthal: No problem
[12:08] Sonya Haight: Dreamland Imaze
[12:08] Qie Niangao: well, off to RL I guess… have fun, all.
[12:09] Imaze Rhiano: sorry – not really familiar about estate markets here – I just happen to know azure because I did rent parcel from them long time ago…
[12:09] Melody Regent: Well, Jack is on the spot to let us know now, so we can expect to hear something at some point. He knows some of us well enough to know we wont let this go
[12:09] Melody Regent: Bye all, see you next week
[12:09] Driftwood Miles: Bye Mel