Jack was 15 minutes late to the meeting without so much as a call to let any of his ‘clients’ know he was running behind

[2010/02/18 10:58] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat…

[2010/02/18 10:58] Connected

[2010/02/18 10:59] Jude Towton: Easier than asking, sorry folks, take a look if you want, at those

[2010/02/18 11:00] Arwen Daviau: hope i didnt sit on anyones lap, lol

[2010/02/18 11:00] Melody Regent: You can sit on me Arwen

[2010/02/18 11:00] Jude Towton: Snall report on the non effectiveness of the “Adult” polcy

[2010/02/18 11:00] Arwen Daviau: grins.. hey Melody how are you

[2010/02/18 11:00] APinkSwan Beauchamp has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:00] Cynianne Hellershanks: sheesh, this sim has no script time left

[2010/02/18 11:00] Melody Regent: I am good M’Lady, how are you doing?

[2010/02/18 11:01] Arwen Daviau: doing well… Rhage sends his love

[2010/02/18 11:01] Jude Towton: Jack isnt inworld yet :-/

[2010/02/18 11:01] Cynianne Hellershanks: how is this a surprise Jude?

[2010/02/18 11:01] Jude Towton: It isnt

[2010/02/18 11:01] Melody Regent: Tell him I send mine. I really need to call him, he has not gotten a 2 am call from me in a while

[2010/02/18 11:01] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 11:01] Jude Towton: But it’s as “proofy” as I can get

[2010/02/18 11:01] Arwen Daviau: haha.. it keeps him on his toes

[2010/02/18 11:01] Chavi Skomoroklov has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:02] Chavi Skomoroklov: hello all!

[2010/02/18 11:02] APinkSwan Beauchamp: Okay, if someone is sitting here and I sit on you….not my fault.

[2010/02/18 11:02] MissMissy Moonbeam: hi Chavi

[2010/02/18 11:02] Chavi Skomoroklov: i guess i am sitting on someone’s lap now?

[2010/02/18 11:02] Arwen Daviau: yep

[2010/02/18 11:03] Arwen Daviau: nice to meet ya

[2010/02/18 11:03] Arwen Daviau: lol

[2010/02/18 11:03] Jude Towton: I wanna sit on someone lap, AND wiggle

[2010/02/18 11:03] Chavi Skomoroklov: hi Arwen, as soon as i see you i will decide if i get up, ok?

[2010/02/18 11:03] Dahlea Milena waves hi to everyone, my first meeting, be gentle

[2010/02/18 11:03] Arwen Daviau:

[2010/02/18 11:03] Melody Regent: Jack is not even online and Patch, the SIgn Boy is not here either

[2010/02/18 11:03] Jude Towton: *sighs*

[2010/02/18 11:04] Jude Towton: Signboy comes late

[2010/02/18 11:04] Melodie Darwin has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:04] Chavi Skomoroklov: should we go into voice?

[2010/02/18 11:04] Melody Regent: Yes, cuase our time is not valuable enought to let us know BEFORE hand

[2010/02/18 11:04] Chavi Skomoroklov: hey Melody!

[2010/02/18 11:04] Melody Regent: Heya Chavi, how are you hun?

[2010/02/18 11:04] Arwen Daviau: anyone have tomato’s to throw?

[2010/02/18 11:04] Jude Towton: I’ve about had it with them. Gessh a sign, how hard is that?

[2010/02/18 11:04] Chavi Skomoroklov: great thanks!

[2010/02/18 11:05] Cynianne Hellershanks: Hey Melody, dont you know we are all here to just play nd have nothing better to do?

[2010/02/18 11:05] Melody Regent: Let me call someone and see what they say

[2010/02/18 11:05] Alexxa Despres: hi everyone )

[2010/02/18 11:05] Melody Regent: Ooops Cyn, I may have missed that memo, my bad

[2010/02/18 11:05] MissMissy Moonbeam: hi Alexxa

[2010/02/18 11:05] Arwen Daviau: yell for all of us Melody

[2010/02/18 11:05] Alexxa Despres: <<would say ‘nice to see you’ but I can’t see you yet ;-P

[2010/02/18 11:05] Melody Regent: You know I will!

[2010/02/18 11:05] MissMissy Moonbeam: lol

[2010/02/18 11:05] Dahlea Milena: Hi Charlene

[2010/02/18 11:06] Melody Regent: Hello Miss Charlene

[2010/02/18 11:06] Jude Towton: Big turnout, what’s the general occasion?

[2010/02/18 11:06] Mendelssohn Andel has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:06] Alexxa Despres: Jude..it’s my party…. did you bring a pressie?

[2010/02/18 11:06] Alexxa Despres:

[2010/02/18 11:06] Melody Regent: yes… and Mr Linden isnt here

[2010/02/18 11:06] Jude Towton: Oops!

[2010/02/18 11:06] Alexxa Despres: LOL…..teasing

[2010/02/18 11:06] Cynianne Hellershanks: while you are at it Melody, tell them to hire me to control script time on their sims, even before all these people got here it was at 0.0

[2010/02/18 11:06] Viva Villiers has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:06] Jude Towton: I guess I didnt get the invite

[2010/02/18 11:06] Qie Niangao has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:07] Hollywood Topaz has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:07] Chaley May: I wonder if this will be a difficult office hour for Jack

[2010/02/18 11:07] Jude Towton: seriosuly, wow, is there something going on this week, all these peole?

[2010/02/18 11:07] Melody Regent: THere was nothing announced this week that should make it hard on him

[2010/02/18 11:08] Youri Ashton has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:08] Chaley May: Linden Homes

[2010/02/18 11:08] Cynianne Hellershanks: According to the Lindens in the forunms, there are several office hour times so that all may “participate

[2010/02/18 11:08] Chaley May: people here might be againbst it

[2010/02/18 11:08] Melody Regent: Here is the official word “I’ll send him a message, I haven;t heard anyhting so far :/”

[2010/02/18 11:08] Charlene Trudeau giggles

[2010/02/18 11:08] Charlene Trudeau: why? did you read the list of thou shalt nots?

[2010/02/18 11:08] Chaley May: Prokofy might be against it and that would be enough trouble for any linden to handle

[2010/02/18 11:08] Charlene Trudeau: better advertising for how great my areas are can’t be had

[2010/02/18 11:09] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I agree, Charlene…:)

[2010/02/18 11:09] Chaley May: has Linden Homes affected anyones business here so far?

[2010/02/18 11:09] Melody Regent: I got chastized a few weeks ago for commenting on what my “THOUGHTS” might be on the new pricing announcment. Wonder if I should say anythng now for fear that a Linden will say more

[2010/02/18 11:09] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 11:09] Cynianne Hellershanks: lol

[2010/02/18 11:09] Prokofy Neva: how would you be able to tell if it affected your business only a day after it went into effect?

[2010/02/18 11:10] Melody Regent: I dont think the linden homes are a threat at all, they dont offer enough perks or controls.

[2010/02/18 11:10] Prokofy Neva: it’s not like prospective customers will IM you and say, “I was going to rent with you but I switched to Linden homes”

[2010/02/18 11:10] Basta Tracy: someone asked me if he can pay less on my sim, because of the free land he can have

[2010/02/18 11:10] Chaley May: maybe sales in that 1 day was lower than ever lol

[2010/02/18 11:10] Prokofy Neva: of course they’re a threat, they are just not a threat to YOU the queen of Concierge with your private islands, that’s all that’s about

[2010/02/18 11:10] Cynianne Hellershanks: have you seen the Linden homes? Outy flame, sheesh, lag monsters

[2010/02/18 11:10] Hollywood Topaz: but he has to pay for full membership

[2010/02/18 11:10] Ciaran Laval: Desmond isn’t exactly cock-a-hoop about them so there are concerns with estate owners too

[2010/02/18 11:11] Chaley May: I dont own any lands

[2010/02/18 11:11] Cynianne Hellershanks: cant say cock

[2010/02/18 11:11] Basta Tracy: i want a land there. i set on my house….if u want out of this …talk to me

[2010/02/18 11:11] Melody Regent: They are only a threat to those that offer exclusive 512 lots, crammed together, with few land rights, and no privacy. ANyone else should not see much of an issue

[2010/02/18 11:11] Prokofy Neva: it’s very much a threat to mainland, especially with prima donna’s like Mystress Breiz on the forums telling everyone that landlords haven’t “gotten” it that people “want neighbours”. Gosh, who knew, that’s why they buy islands instead of mainland, they want so many neighbours

[2010/02/18 11:11] Hollywood Topaz: and a lot of patients to teach

[2010/02/18 11:11] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I am sure many of us will use the comparison in our marketing…:)

[2010/02/18 11:11] Cynianne Hellershanks: My my, name calling already and Jack isnt even here

[2010/02/18 11:11] Alexxa Despres: Hi Equi ;’)

[2010/02/18 11:12] Alexxa Despres: Hi Dennis

[2010/02/18 11:12] Qie Niangao has left the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:12] Equinox Pinion: hi all

[2010/02/18 11:12] Dennis Lagan: hi

[2010/02/18 11:12] Chavi Skomoroklov: hey Equinox

[2010/02/18 11:12] Chavi Skomoroklov: hi Dennis

[2010/02/18 11:12] Prokofy Neva: Er, no dear, it’s not about “crammed together,” because there’d be no sense in offering 512s with all kinds of unsold space around them, you can’t put too much space to empty, truly, it’s OK to have newbie areas that are crowded in that they aren’t locked down maximum security humper bunkers

[2010/02/18 11:12] Qie Niangao has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:12] Equinox Pinion: wow chavi!

[2010/02/18 11:12] Zida Sabra: ㋡ ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello hi hola *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆ ㋡

[2010/02/18 11:12] Zida Sabra: Equinox=)

[2010/02/18 11:12] Melody Regent: We can just let him have his name calling session

[2010/02/18 11:12] Zida Sabra: sorry

[2010/02/18 11:12] Hollywood Topaz: lol

[2010/02/18 11:13] Arwen Daviau: so Melody is he coming ? What they say…

[2010/02/18 11:13] Prokofy Neva: Desmond is just posturing, he doesn’t care really, he wants to strike a pose

[2010/02/18 11:13] Cynianne Hellershanks turns sounds off

[2010/02/18 11:13] Melody Regent: APinkSwan, did you get a Linden Home yet?

[2010/02/18 11:13] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I did, yes.

[2010/02/18 11:13] Arwen Daviau: i applied for one

[2010/02/18 11:13] Melody Regent: TJ will check on him

[2010/02/18 11:13] Arwen Daviau: havent gotten one yet

[2010/02/18 11:13] Equinox Pinion: geeez..dont tell me jack is not here again lol

[2010/02/18 11:13] Charlene Trudeau: I verified its one per premium account, regardless of human behind them

[2010/02/18 11:13] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Hello Evereyone , was reading up..:))

[2010/02/18 11:13] Charlene Trudeau: so I have two

[2010/02/18 11:13] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I can’t compare if I don’t know what I am comparing to.

[2010/02/18 11:13] Cynianne Hellershanks: They dont have any goth houses, I looked

[2010/02/18 11:13] APinkSwan Beauchamp: Have you, Mel?

[2010/02/18 11:14] Melody Regent: I will go get one today, will be cool to have a place to *hide*

[2010/02/18 11:14] Dahlea Milena: I got one

[2010/02/18 11:14] APinkSwan Beauchamp: omg…A goth house would be soooo awesome!

[2010/02/18 11:14] Cynianne Hellershanks: they dont have them

[2010/02/18 11:14] Dahlea Milena: put in for it yesteray & had it within 3 mins

[2010/02/18 11:14] Youri Ashton has left the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:14] Cynianne Hellershanks: just cute for fantasy

[2010/02/18 11:14] Prokofy Neva: Ciaran is another one ranting about how they pose no competition to existing rentals, honestly, you should work for the Lindens

[2010/02/18 11:14] Melody Regent: I was thinking one of those little asian places

[2010/02/18 11:14] Arwen Daviau: they said they will email me but i never got one

[2010/02/18 11:14] Qie Niangao: just in case we know the answer: has anybody learned where (or if) the textures for Linden Homes will be distributed?

[2010/02/18 11:14] Basta Tracy: can someone give me a lm. i want see this linden homes too please

[2010/02/18 11:14] Chaley May: my friend got their linden home in a few minutes too

[2010/02/18 11:14] Melody Regent: I have a kimono I can wear

[2010/02/18 11:14] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 11:15] Dahlea Milena: that’s what I got Melody, one of the asian ones

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: Arwen, look in your MY LAND

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: might sow there

[2010/02/18 11:15] Cynianne Hellershanks: Basta, look at the sl home page

[2010/02/18 11:15] Ciaran Laval: They made a strange reference to “our merchants” Qie, I’ve seen nothing since

[2010/02/18 11:15] Dahlea Milena: I got park front, nice & open in front of me

[2010/02/18 11:15] Jack Linden has entered the sim.

[2010/02/18 11:15] Jack Linden is Online

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: What sim Dahlea

[2010/02/18 11:15] Greywolf Moonlight: I would still find ya, Mel…lol

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: [11:15] Jack Linden has entered the sim.

[11:15] Jack Linden is Online

[2010/02/18 11:15] Daniel Voyager shouts: Hey Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] APinkSwan Beauchamp: They don’t pose a threat to the larger rentals, but may to the smaller ones. Having said that, and having one now, you can use it in your marketing.

[2010/02/18 11:15] Dytska Vieria has 2 waterfronts

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: yes Grye, damn you, You would!!!

[2010/02/18 11:15] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 11:15] Qie Niangao: Greetings, Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] Chavi Skomoroklov: YAY! \o/

[2010/02/18 11:15] Alexxa Despres: GHi ya Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] Cynianne Hellershanks: Greetings Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] APinkSwan Beauchamp: It was a great business move by LL and now those in smaller rentals, etc. have to adjust.

[2010/02/18 11:15] Dahlea Milena: Tanaka

[2010/02/18 11:15] Jack Linden: hey guys.. so sorry i’m so late.

[2010/02/18 11:15] Greywolf Moonlight: hi, Jack

[2010/02/18 11:15] Equinox Pinion: Hi jack

[2010/02/18 11:16] Cynianne Hellershanks looks at her linden clock

[2010/02/18 11:16] 00 Dover: hello jack

[2010/02/18 11:16] wildorchid Fairymeadow: hello Jack

[2010/02/18 11:16] Melody Regent: Hello Jack, did you forget that you had 40 people waiting at your ‘normal’ office hours?

[2010/02/18 11:16] Zeebster Colasanti: hello Jack. first question: do you think that being 15 minutes late is a good display of your respect for the SL business community?

[2010/02/18 11:16] Charlene Trudeau: hi jack

[2010/02/18 11:16] Jack Linden: today has been a little intense and I got caught up. apologies

[2010/02/18 11:16] Ciaran Laval: Caught in the snow Jack?

[2010/02/18 11:16] Alexxa Despres: I was thunking Traffic , Ciaran

[2010/02/18 11:16] Alexxa Despres: thinking too

[2010/02/18 11:16] Jack Linden: not snow! more like fog.. as i’m still in SF at the moment

[2010/02/18 11:16] Cynianne Hellershanks: Every day is a bit intense for our businesses

[2010/02/18 11:16] Dahlea Milena: hello Jack, fiber optics rush hour traffic?

[2010/02/18 11:16] Equinox Pinion: and not shoing up 3 times doesnt show you really care about us either

[2010/02/18 11:16] Jack Linden: never seen fog like it. it’s kinda amazing actually

[2010/02/18 11:17] Dennis Lagan: well, according to everything you always announce, and the time it is ready at the end, i believe the past year was a little bussy

[2010/02/18 11:17] Jack Linden: Equinox, I try my best to be here each week – i’m truly sorry that i’m late.

[2010/02/18 11:17] Melody Regent: Thank you Zeebster. At the very least letting someone know would show respect. If I am going to be even a few minutes late, I call ahead to let my appointment know about it

[2010/02/18 11:18] Prokofy Neva: So jack explain again the part where you don’t think Linden homes competes with your own customers, especially landlords on the mainland with newbie villages, especially as you have all the advertising capacity and free houses and extra prims and such

[2010/02/18 11:18] Jack Linden: Hey Prokofy.. I think we covered that some on the blog post but am happy to talk about it here too..

[2010/02/18 11:18] Cynianne Hellershanks: and then explain why with script limits being imposed on us why Linden Land was at 0.0 when only 5 avatars were here

[2010/02/18 11:18] Prokofy Neva: And where you really give away your hand is in the Knowledge Base, where you encourage people if they want some larger land parcels and prims to go buy mainland or buy or rent island, but you don’t mention that you can rent mainland, so you rig it there clearly

[2010/02/18 11:19] Jack Linden: We’re super sensitive to the issue of competition. But we’re also very clear on the role we have in bringing in new residents and getting them involved with land, content etc

[2010/02/18 11:19] Prokofy Neva: well are you going to attempt to measure that metric? I mean, if newbies going to Community Gateways actually retain WORSE than going elsewhere, what are your goals?

[2010/02/18 11:19] Prokofy Neva: well we’d be very clear on our role doing that if we had the advertise opportunities you have

[2010/02/18 11:20] Zorro Amat: Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2010/02/18 11:20] Zorro Amat: calm

[2010/02/18 11:20] Prokofy Neva: Is Linden Lab’s objective to shake loose the landlords?

[2010/02/18 11:20] Zorro Amat: one for time !!!!

[2010/02/18 11:20] Jack Linden: We are measuring every aspect of Linden Homes and how they impact estates, mainland and the content folks. We have built all of that into the program so we will have very good understanding of the effects

[2010/02/18 11:20] Prokofy Neva: stop it Zorro, just type a question if you have one and stop berating other people

[2010/02/18 11:20] Zeebster Colasanti: so what are the effects that you have measured so far?

[2010/02/18 11:20] Melody Regent: How are you measuring that Jack? By what means?

[2010/02/18 11:20] Cynianne Hellershanks: Measure is not reasurring, Jack, when feedback is ignored because a plan is already in place

[2010/02/18 11:21] Chaley May: have signups for premium accounts increased since yesterday?

[2010/02/18 11:21] Jack Linden: I also want to be in a position to share that information over time, because the aim here is a longer term one than simply giving existing premiums a house. It’s about creating that flow of customers for rentals and resident made experiences

[2010/02/18 11:21] Cynianne Hellershanks: Can the Land store handle enough land to give every premium acct holder a space?

[2010/02/18 11:21] Prokofy Neva: not if you can’t bother to even write what opportunities there are in the Knowledge Base

[2010/02/18 11:21] Jack Linden: let me just read back a moment… to see the comments so far..

[2010/02/18 11:21] Prokofy Neva: when I filed a ticket about that, I just get flak and get told to join the wonky queue editing the wiki woo

[2010/02/18 11:22] Cynianne Hellershanks: who can find their way thru the morass of the Knowledge base?

[2010/02/18 11:22] Balpien Hammerer: /(waiting for slow rezz to complete)

[2010/02/18 11:22] Prokofy Neva: Lindens force users there constantly and it has a lot of clicks and references, especially with Answers running now as it does, so they should at least make that page reflect the options accurately and do it themselves instead of telling me to wrestle editing queues

[2010/02/18 11:22] Ciaran Laval: Who are you giving the textures to Jack?

[2010/02/18 11:22] Jack Linden: So far we’re not seeing much churn, by which i mean that the people taking Linden Homes are using existing spare tier or tiering up, rather than swapping existing land for the homes. We had a lot of Premiums who were not using their 512 at all, and not renting.

[2010/02/18 11:22] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I think if you do it right, you can certainly compete with the Linden homes. Rental and/or sales companies here have far more to offer.

[2010/02/18 11:23] Charlene Trudeau: like personal customer service and some teaching ability

[2010/02/18 11:23] APinkSwan Beauchamp: Exactly, Charlene.

[2010/02/18 11:23] Prokofy Neva: that’s right APink, blame the victim, make it seem as if businesses just aren’t nimble enough, or cool enough or evolved enough in the Schumpeterian world to succeed, when Linden keeps competing with their customers

[2010/02/18 11:24] Chaley May: but Linden Homes will almost certainly conquer the market for 512sqm and even 1024 sqm homes

[2010/02/18 11:24] Hollywood Topaz: There is a pattern that new residents follow as well

[2010/02/18 11:24] Prokofy Neva: well that’s my market, and that’s why I pose these questions, given that Linden already destroyed the mainland sales businesses by land glutting

[2010/02/18 11:24] Cynianne Hellershanks: Customer service is suffering badly as we tend to know more than the CSRS

[2010/02/18 11:24] Hollywood Topaz: they will venture out to purchase larger areas with more prims in a matter of months

[2010/02/18 11:24] Prokofy Neva: also with homesteads being a better buy than a 8192 with the same number of prims

[2010/02/18 11:24] Jack Linden: Prokofy, we intend to do a number of key things there including allowing sme forms of advertising and upward promotion so that Linden Home owners can know the wider possibilities as they learn more about the value of owning land.. that sort of flow of residents up the food chan is important

[2010/02/18 11:25] Jack Linden: Some of that will be very direct ways to advertise and we’ll be talking more about that very soon actually

[2010/02/18 11:25] Prokofy Neva: well Jack, nothing short of on-demand advertising openings like the old telehub that are visible in central locations like the Elderglen infohub would do, if you mean “we’ll give our special friends the MOTD or we’ll let them advertise to newbs while others can’t” it won’t cut it

[2010/02/18 11:25] Ciaran Laval: If this is anything like your last lot of wider advertising with the motd for large estate owners it’s going to go down like a lead balloon

[2010/02/18 11:26] Jack Linden: Prokofy.. on demand is precisely what we expect to be able to offer. I agree that all inworld businesses need ways to do that

[2010/02/18 11:26] Zeebster Colasanti: Jack: do you have a measure of the number of active Linden Home residents? meaning not just those who have one, but those who actively use the land.

[2010/02/18 11:26] Balpien Hammerer: Jack, am I correct in assuming the purpose of the linden homes is to serve up the newly entered population? if that is so, then limiting the linden home sales to newcomers (pick some age limit) would be a way to temper the privilege the lindens enjoy in makignthe linden home product.

[2010/02/18 11:27] Jack Linden: Ciaran, that’s a good Q.. and of course MotD is very compelling because of the high hit rates but no, I wasn’t talking specifically about that. We’ll provide more opportunities than that

[2010/02/18 11:27] Jude Towton: And I see it all as yet another thing LL has on their plate, when they can’t finish the old one

[2010/02/18 11:27] Chaley May: You have to imagine how much people are willing to pay in a virtual world.. lets say something like 50% are willing to pay only $10 a month on SL they will be getting linden homes and they will be unlikely to pay more

[2010/02/18 11:27] Jack Linden: Zeebster, we’re at about 5500 Linden Home owners right now

[2010/02/18 11:27] Prokofy Neva: Jack please get somebody to fix this entry in the KB: I’ve enjoyed my experience at Linden Home, and now want to expand my land ownership. How do I move?

Beyond Linden Home should you wish to “spread your wings”, there are a couple other land options:

* General mainland – Purchase inworld or through a Land Auction.

* Private regions – Purchase through our Land Store, or you can rent parcels from Resident estate owners.

[2010/02/18 11:27] Prokofy Neva: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Linden_Home/FAQ

[2010/02/18 11:28] Prokofy Neva: what is the total count of premium accounts?

[2010/02/18 11:28] TributeTim Kwak is Offline

[2010/02/18 11:28] Dytska Vieria: Why would a premium account holder want to rent land when it’s cheaper to buy land?

[2010/02/18 11:28] Jack Linden: Prokofy, agreed that could be beter messaged, I will take that as an action. We’re just at launch day +1 right now, so we have some work to do

[2010/02/18 11:28] Prokofy Neva: it isn’t cheaper to buy land, not at all

[2010/02/18 11:28] Jack Linden: We have around 70k Premium members

[2010/02/18 11:28] Ciaran Laval: Depends upon your tier level Dytska

[2010/02/18 11:29] Prokofy Neva: ok thakns Jack, I hope you can take that as an action rather than buck it back to me to wrestle editing the wiki because ticket-filing only gets that as an answer

[2010/02/18 11:29] Jack Linden reads back

[2010/02/18 11:29] Dahlea Milena nods at Chaley, and they get the stipend too, so where’s the incentive to grow upwards & outwards benefiting the larger community as a whole?

[2010/02/18 11:29] Prokofy Neva: so it’s down from its high of 100,000 in 2007

[2010/02/18 11:30] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Trade UP?

[2010/02/18 11:30] Prokofy Neva: if you give someone a $150/150 a week rental with 10 percent discount as I do, that’s US $2.00 a month, they can take the $7.95 and buy more currency directly than they get in the stiped.

[2010/02/18 11:30] Chaley May: yes people dont grow beyond their budget allows.. i reacon LL looked at the figures and seen an opportunity

[2010/02/18 11:30] Jack Linden: to Chaley’s point.. Estates generally don’t compete at the 512m size – their model allows them to provide much larger parcels and more starter content than Linden Homes do. Some estates also already offer the double prim effect that we have used for Linden Homes (and places like Bay City)

[2010/02/18 11:30] Stiletto Moody is Online

[2010/02/18 11:30] Dennis Lagan: jack, what prokofy says about the wiki, the same issue with the SL website in general , “buy land” lists new regions and linden homes as options, but about private estates you are dead silent. people who want ot see private estate listings have to go looking under “shoppint”. what kind of logic is that

[2010/02/18 11:31] Jack Linden: ..also, Linden Homes are by design much more restrictive.

[2010/02/18 11:31] Charlene Trudeau: hugely

[2010/02/18 11:31] Jack Linden: One of the next tasks we have is to release all the rezzor code and textures etc so that residents can build similar spaces if they wish to

[2010/02/18 11:31] Charlene Trudeau: I wanted to see what the whole exp was like and even I almost said stuff this over how restrictive

[2010/02/18 11:31] Ciaran Laval: Oh and Jack get the classified forum back hey, Second hand islands sales in particular have no home now

[2010/02/18 11:31] Charlene Trudeau: sure they do

[2010/02/18 11:32] Charlene Trudeau: there’s a great active group for it

[2010/02/18 11:32] Jack Linden: Dennis.. thse pages are a good example, I think, of where targeted advetising for estates will make sense

[2010/02/18 11:32] Charlene Trudeau: jsut IM me

[2010/02/18 11:32] Jack Linden: *tose

[2010/02/18 11:32] Prokofy Neva: yes that was completely unnecessary, deleting the classifieds for land rentals and sales

[2010/02/18 11:32] Jack Linden: ack *those

[2010/02/18 11:32] Qie Niangao: oooo… Dennis, you have an interesting point there. Maybe LAND should own all land-related transactions, advertising, etc… instead of Commerce

[2010/02/18 11:32] Charlene Trudeau: but we miss our forums

[2010/02/18 11:32] Chaley May: Jack but you have 55 homes per sim so technically you are competing at the 1200swm level

[2010/02/18 11:32] Prokofy Neva: especially given what a cluttery mess the Xstreet ads are

[2010/02/18 11:32] Charlene Trudeau: blogs just aren’t the same

[2010/02/18 11:32] Chaley May: *sqm

[2010/02/18 11:32] Chavi Skomoroklov: couldn’t agree more, Prokofy

[2010/02/18 11:32] Cindy Bolero is Online

[2010/02/18 11:32] Jack Linden: Ciaran, is there not a classifieds space on the new forum area? Hmm. I will follow up on that

[2010/02/18 11:32] Equinox Pinion: agree prokofy

[2010/02/18 11:33] Prokofy Neva: it’s long since overdue to fix the cluttery mess of Xstreet land classifieds

[2010/02/18 11:33] Charlene Trudeau: and I think the xstreet land listings should be accessed from ‘land’ too

[2010/02/18 11:33] Graeme Rubble: The new forum-blogs are unusable – we’re forced over to sluniverse et al.

[2010/02/18 11:33] Qie Niangao: I think xstreet land listings should just be flushed. put it all under a grand unified “land store” site.

[2010/02/18 11:33] Chavi Skomoroklov: there should be a lot more option to search in estate-listings on XstreetSL

[2010/02/18 11:33] Jack Linden: I believe we’re planning a raft of changes to the new blog area that will make them more useable (and more like a traditional forum space, as we had before with the vBulletin system)

[2010/02/18 11:33] Prokofy Neva: it’s likely not fixable given the blogurum software tho but it could be reviewed

[2010/02/18 11:34] Cynianne Hellershanks: I see this as a huge waste of already stretched harware resources

[2010/02/18 11:34] Cynianne Hellershanks: *hardware

[2010/02/18 11:34] Dennis Lagan: jack, you should have fixed that before, not after introduction.

[2010/02/18 11:34] gwampa Lomu is Online

[2010/02/18 11:34] Ciaran Laval: ANo land sales or rentals classifieds Jack, just the Xstreet ones under commerce forums for services, employment then the Xstreet feeds which aren’t very informative

[2010/02/18 11:34] Dennis Lagan: it was tested for a long time, you knew how people were feeling about it.

[2010/02/18 11:34] Prokofy Neva: Tell us about 2.0. How badly will it paralyze our business by making us have to rewrite leases, help cards, hobble our counting of prims, managing of estates, etc. etc. What changes are coming to the land portions of the UI? Can you tell us any scraps of info?

[2010/02/18 11:34] Jack Linden: Qie.. you make a good point. The longer term roadmap includes bringing land, lindex and xstreet into a single web experience so that we can properly tie them together

[2010/02/18 11:35] Cynianne Hellershanks: who is actually doing the planning on these? Does anyone even have inworld experience beyond the noobie stage?

[2010/02/18 11:35] Chavi Skomoroklov: longer term roadmap? how long, Jack?

[2010/02/18 11:35] Prokofy Neva: well I hope that means that land will no longer be visibly for sale and purchasable inworld and you have to ebayify the land market completely

[2010/02/18 11:35] Charlene Trudeau: and how do we get on the 2.0 beta test list? lol

[2010/02/18 11:35] Jack Linden: there is no reason why a resident shouldn’t be able to buy land, a house, terraforming services, and a RL tshirt in the same cart

[2010/02/18 11:35] Prokofy Neva: and I hope it doesn’t mean you will have your hands out to take commissions off sales or rentals of land the way you do for Xstreet products, not to put ideas in your head

[2010/02/18 11:35] Equinox Pinion: jack we hear that since ages…..you need to give us dates!!!

[2010/02/18 11:35] Melody Regent: Advertising land is at a disadvantage over all. There should actually be a dedicated forum to land sales and rents with differnt options to go thru. Offering both mainland and private forums and even something that is based on sim types…. like fulls, homesteads

[2010/02/18 11:36] Melody Regent: this way if someone wants to look for a parcel to RENT on mainland, there is a dedicated forum thread for that

[2010/02/18 11:36] Jack Linden: Cynianne, these sorts of projects across several teams.. and yes we have many active residents who also work for the Lab

[2010/02/18 11:36] Prokofy Neva: yes it should have clearly marked sub categories, even if you have to pay $25 per ad as you do now

[2010/02/18 11:36] Zeebster Colasanti: Jack, using Xstreet is not an option for large estates. we have turnover of several parcels per day. rezzing little interactive boxes on the land and going through a mini-interview just to list a parcel is not a viable option. we need an API or some way where we can input multiple parcels all at once through a web GUI

[2010/02/18 11:37] Cynianne Hellershanks: do these people talk and plan together? does anyone talk about worse case scenarios?

[2010/02/18 11:37] Melody Regent: The XStreet listings have become cumbersom and useless IMHO

[2010/02/18 11:37] Melody Regent: the ‘choices’ are not great either

[2010/02/18 11:37] Jack Linden: Equinox, dates are tough to give. We could probably talk about which quarter we expect things to land in and maybe that’s something I can talk to others about.. that we present a longer term roadmap to give people an idea of what is coming and roughly when we think it will land.

[2010/02/18 11:37] APinkSwan Beauchamp: I agree totally, Mel. Useless.

[2010/02/18 11:37] Prokofy Neva: there are ways to do multiple listings with Xstreet but taking the picture and emailing each one is a chore

[2010/02/18 11:37] Jack Linden: Work on a new xstreet platform has already begun, but it’s a big project

[2010/02/18 11:37] Ciaran Laval: The Xstreet feed is horrid to read

[2010/02/18 11:38] Chavi Skomoroklov: big project, yes; costly as well i assume, but we pay for it

[2010/02/18 11:38] Dennis Lagan: omg, a new xstreeet platform, even more horror to come. thats the danger when asking changes from lindenlab. they always seem to make it worse then it was

[2010/02/18 11:38] Zeebster Colasanti: fair enough. which wuarter can we expect the new Xstreet to be released?

[2010/02/18 11:38] Cynianne Hellershanks: I manage script times on 2 sims – why, when we manage nicely, do out script times shoot all over the place and we lag out? why do the numbers not add up? We have been managing script times for out residents for more than 6 months and it is only getting worse with each new update, server release and added sims to the servers?

[2010/02/18 11:38] Melody Regent: Most of the time the pictures down work and have not for a while now

[2010/02/18 11:38] Cynianne Hellershanks: the CSRs do not what we are talking about, can’t explain it

[2010/02/18 11:39] Summer Windlow: can i ask if there is any date fixed for when xstreet charges will become active please?

[2010/02/18 11:39] Chaley May: LL are awful at presenting information.. they messed up search in SL, messed up the forum/blog and messed up Xstreet.

[2010/02/18 11:39] Jack Linden: Zeebster.. happily one of the pieces of technlogy we built to support Linden Homes (and why is it so automated) is an API that allows a web service to make changes to land. That technology is going to allow many very cool things, including the ability for a marketplace to transact land, assign ownership, reset terrain, all those sorts of things.

[2010/02/18 11:40] Zeebster Colasanti: excellent. when can we expect to have this technology available to us?

[2010/02/18 11:40] Melody Regent: are you going to tack on more cost to using those services?

[2010/02/18 11:40] Cynianne Hellershanks: Why does LLR continue to go forward with all these new projects when they haven’t fixed the problems that already exist?

[2010/02/18 11:40] Cynianne Hellershanks: smoke and mirrors

[2010/02/18 11:40] Jude Towton: Good point Cynianne

[2010/02/18 11:40] Balpien Hammerer: ooo! JAck, are you creating secure land management APIs? Are the same also available from scripts?

[2010/02/18 11:41] Balpien Hammerer: and when? This is exactly the sort of thing many estate managers want and need, the ability to automate land transfers.

[2010/02/18 11:41] Cynianne Hellershanks: New residents are impressed with the sparkly things, those of us running businesses are not and want the problems fixed before you go forward with anymore bling

[2010/02/18 11:41] Melody Regent: [11:35] Charlene Trudeau: and how do we get on the 2.0 beta test list? <<– Jack this is a good question

[2010/02/18 11:41] Jack Linden: Cynianne, this isn’t an either/or situation. Often the teams that work on maintenance/fixes and those that work on new projects are very different and with different skill sets. We clearly still need to fix things and we will

[2010/02/18 11:42] Jude Towton: *coughs*

[2010/02/18 11:42] Chavi Skomoroklov: sorry Jack and others, have to leave; see you, thnx Jack

[2010/02/18 11:42] Equinox Pinion: take care chavi!!

[2010/02/18 11:42] Arwen Daviau: But for those of us having issues it is frustrating to get carbon copy responses repeatedly and no resolution

[2010/02/18 11:42] Chavi Skomoroklov: bye Equinox/Dennis!

[2010/02/18 11:42] Melody Regent: Have a great day Chavi

[2010/02/18 11:43] Dennis Lagan: bye chavi!

[2010/02/18 11:43] Arwen Daviau: Bye Chavi

[2010/02/18 11:44] Jack Linden: bye guys

[2010/02/18 11:44] Prokofy Neva: I think I have to give up Linden office hours for Lent.

[2010/02/18 11:44] Cynianne Hellershanks: When Jack? There is seemingly no progress on any of the issues such as antiquuated hardware, too many sims using resources of a tiny server, etc

[2010/02/18 11:44] wildorchid Fairymeadow: **ok i wuv u byby!!**

[2010/02/18 11:44] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Jack

[2010/02/18 11:44] Prokofy Neva: on the other hand, i have a great anim I could practice here

[2010/02/18 11:44] Jude Towton: I’d say the end result is more chaos when LL moves on when things aren’t working behind them. Tickets, AR’s, Jira’s…all bogging down the teaem trying t ofix the problems, the go-betweens from LL to us

[2010/02/18 11:44] Cynianne Hellershanks: We cannot get answers, and are cut off to discuss new bling

[2010/02/18 11:44] Jack Linden: sorry, keyboard issues, back now.. reading back

[2010/02/18 11:45] Cynianne Hellershanks: its very frustrating

[2010/02/18 11:45] wildorchid Fairymeadow: WB

[2010/02/18 11:46] Jude Towton: Tat’s where my concern come in, I’ve been all but told straight out that LL doesnt have the staff to deal with things on their own

[2010/02/18 11:46] Jack Linden: Cynianne, shared server resources is a complex one. The reason that we sometimes see an otherwise quiet region suffer lag is mostly down to the fact that other regions on the same server are overusing resources. Hence the work we’re doing on Script Limits

[2010/02/18 11:46] Jack Linden: But i totally agree that estate owners need to have more control over their own experience.

[2010/02/18 11:47] Balpien Hammerer: Well Jack, that is simply a bad architecture on the part of your staff.

[2010/02/18 11:47] Jack Linden: Midyear will be about providing script tools for landowners so they can really manage that load.

[2010/02/18 11:47] Melody Regent: Jack, what controls are you planning on giving us in the 2.0 version?

[2010/02/18 11:47] Arwen Daviau: but what are those limits exactly so we can prepare for that

[2010/02/18 11:47] Cynianne Hellershanks: which have yet to be published Jack, and the average sim/business owner doesnt know how much the change over in say vendors will cost

[2010/02/18 11:47] Equinox Pinion: can you tell me the logic behind the 1st May when the grandfathered status will not be moved to the new owner…why 1st may?

[2010/02/18 11:47] Balpien Hammerer: But, yes, script limits is a good limited scope fix to that.

[2010/02/18 11:47] Cynianne Hellershanks: the average avatar hasnt even heard of script limits yet

[2010/02/18 11:47] Chaley May: script limits wont change a thing

[2010/02/18 11:47] Equinox Pinion: and why is that blog post still hidden and not visible for most

[2010/02/18 11:48] Alliez Mysterio is Online

[2010/02/18 11:48] Jack Linden: Balpien, it’s not so much architecture as legacy in terms of the scaling model we used (which has, after all, taken us a long way). But we do have to revisit it and we are doing. We’ve a lot of work going on to understand how best to go forward with the simulator and hardware to make it more consistent

[2010/02/18 11:48] Charlene Trudeau: Equinox because this way it gave us a 1/4 notification of change

[2010/02/18 11:48] Charlene Trudeau: better than saying ‘effective immediately’

[2010/02/18 11:48] Balpien Hammerer: and we all know sscrpt limits is a response to the massive reziser scripts we see, which was an innovation to deal with the weak permissions systems.

[2010/02/18 11:48] Balpien Hammerer: unintended consequences of held off fixes.

[2010/02/18 11:48] Melody Regent: Jack, what additional controls, besides script limits, are you planning on giving estate owners in the 2.0 version?

[2010/02/18 11:49] Jack Linden: Arwen, we will not be enforcng script limits for a long while yet, to begin with we will just be putting information out (in the new Viewer beta coming soon for example).. so we’ll be talking a very long time in advance of any actual limits

[2010/02/18 11:49] Equinox Pinion: they said gf HS are till end of june 2010…..there is nothing which explains their logic

[2010/02/18 11:49] Jude Towton: (Kudos on saying “We’ve a lot” rather than “We’ve got a lot….))

[2010/02/18 11:49] Cynianne Hellershanks: Script llimits – per avatar – per parcel – how does that affect the sim owner and manager that provide lots of public lands that have owned scripted items on them? For example I manage, dont own 2 sims – my stuff is all over them for public use – does that count against my personal avatar limits?

[2010/02/18 11:49] Equinox Pinion: and most people still dont know about it as the post is hidden

[2010/02/18 11:49] Liisa Runo: 99% of the content will not be affected by script limits, it will only affect very badly made content and some grief content, so i dont really see how can script limits really change anything

[2010/02/18 11:50] Prokofy Neva: Jack, again: when you have this lovely cool fabulous web API to transact land, does that mean you are deprecating the ability to see land visibly for sale inworld and buy it on an interface inworld in the viewer

[2010/02/18 11:50] Balpien Hammerer: Be well, everyone.

[2010/02/18 11:50] Jack Linden: Balpien, it actually wasn’t – Script Limits are a necessary move to make sure that one region’s load doesn’t adversely impact other regions – but also because we should empower estates to build their own products and control their own load levels. We control prims and agents, adding scripts to that control set will give estate owners better control

[2010/02/18 11:50] Dytska Vieria: If http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895 were fixed, script limits would be much less of an issue.

[2010/02/18 11:50] Cynianne Hellershanks: We are perfectly capable of managing scritpt limits on our own sim – however arriving here with 5 avatars before me, this land was already at 0.0 spare time

[2010/02/18 11:50] Zida Sabra: Be well Bal..

[2010/02/18 11:51] Charlene Trudeau: cynianne, you control yours, but what about the others sharing your server?

[2010/02/18 11:51] Cynianne Hellershanks: Exactly Charlene

[2010/02/18 11:52] Jack Linden: Cynianne, it won’t be punative in that way.. it will work much the same way that prim limits do and for the large majority of people they may never even see the limits impact them because the limits will be high enough that we’re only limiting the top few percent of regions.. those are the ones that are very heavy users and tend to cause the problems

[2010/02/18 11:52] Cynianne Hellershanks: I have to restart over and over in hopes of getting flipped to some less laggy region

[2010/02/18 11:52] Arwen Daviau: i have a RL programmer on my team writing new scripts that us less of the sim resources and my lag increases daily.we restart constantly. this makes no sense at all.. everyday at 9am slt my sims bottom out with lag… and i cant get any resolution ….because it is not us causing the issue.. it is the 7 other sims on the server

[2010/02/18 11:52] Cynianne Hellershanks: we have a well run event, someone elso on another region we share server with goes insane with scripts and out event is ruined

[2010/02/18 11:52] Zeebster Colasanti: Jack, ISPs have been using resource limit controls per process for at least a decade now to permit users to run various web applications without affecting other web users. This is not a new technology and it has been used extensively. it is not implemented by monitoring individual scripts but rather limiting resource usage at the OS level. i don’t get why this has not been implemented to ensure that one sims don’t end up competing against each other for resources of the same server

[2010/02/18 11:53] Arwen Daviau: it is not fair that we pay to suffer what others do… plain and simple

[2010/02/18 11:53] Cynianne Hellershanks: Agreed

[2010/02/18 11:53] Prokofy Neva: there are 8 sims on a server now?

[2010/02/18 11:53] Jack Linden: Prokofy, no.. we will not remove the ability for people to search and transact land in the Viewer. People need that context of standing on a parcel and choosing to buy it. However the controls you use while doing that may well be delivered as web into the Viewer rather than in the Viewer codebase

[2010/02/18 11:53] Melody Regent: Agreed Arwen, and the limits are a good thing

[2010/02/18 11:54] Jack Linden: That way we can better iterate and add tools without needing new Viewer code

[2010/02/18 11:54] Chaley May: the approach is entirely wrong because its not scripts that adversely affect regions.. its having too many people on 1 region that seems to be the problem… everythings fine otherwise

[2010/02/18 11:54] Charlene Trudeau: A big problem with any Xstreet or land searches is that you can’t plus or minus a search option to narrow down choices for a more personalized search, it’s frustrating wading thru dozens, even hundreds, of ads because one word of a search description comes up in it. A better search engine with advanced options would be an asset to both sellers and buyers.

[2010/02/18 11:54] wildorchid Fairymeadow: what about knowing who shares servers and then the more experienced can help the less

[2010/02/18 11:54] Prokofy Neva: ok, I do have to wonder how “web into the viewer” will really work, remember when you stuffed the knowledge base into the viewer? the stuff never loads i nthere

[2010/02/18 11:54] Cynianne Hellershanks: But Jack, your new Linden Land shows a high script time lag monster fire being used – how is that setting a good example?

[2010/02/18 11:55] Ciaran Laval: Nobody knows if the limits are good or bad, we need to see it in action first

[2010/02/18 11:55] Arwen Daviau: this happens when i have only 2 people on my region..

[2010/02/18 11:55] Charlene Trudeau: and the land search tools themselves have inadequate search parameter tools

[2010/02/18 11:55] Arwen Daviau: we have been running tests for months

[2010/02/18 11:55] Prokofy Neva: if you are sharing with 7 other people and one of them is a culprit, then this new cap thing should cap them and make your experience better, no?

[2010/02/18 11:55] Dahlea Milena nods to Charlene, exactly so

[2010/02/18 11:55] Jack Linden: Charlene.. absolutely.. better filters for land listings (and being able to subscribe to a search set) are key requirements

[2010/02/18 11:55] Chaley May: Arwen I imagine you share a server with a popular club

[2010/02/18 11:56] Liisa Runo: http://secondlife.mitsi.com/Sims/default.htm

[2010/02/18 11:56] Arwen Daviau: sounds great in theory but not helping me now when i cant even walk on my own sim

[2010/02/18 11:56] Cynianne Hellershanks: Chaley you can switch servers by restarting

[2010/02/18 11:56] Arwen Daviau: restarts can bounce you .. we do them daily hoping to get lucky

[2010/02/18 11:56] Prokofy Neva: why do servers need to play roulette like that anyway? Why can’t they stay put? Say if you own 100 sims, why not keep them always yours and not “shared”? I don’t get the principle of this need to share

[2010/02/18 11:56] Jack Linden: Prokofy, it won’t be served by the simulator though, so it would be no slower than viewing the main website

[2010/02/18 11:56] Prokofy Neva: well that’s my point, the stuff inside the viewer like that doesn’t load

[2010/02/18 11:57] Arwen Daviau: i have a t1line jack.. bandwidth is not an issue for me

[2010/02/18 11:57] Charlene Trudeau: because you won’t get the same sort of grab the next open slot if you crash

[2010/02/18 11:57] Charlene Trudeau: if your slot is down and its not coming back up without automation

[2010/02/18 11:57] Charlene Trudeau: you could be down a whole lot longer

[2010/02/18 11:57] Chaley May: it would be good to provide a list of simulators that share the same server too

[2010/02/18 11:57] Jack Linden: Prokofy.. re sharing.. exactly yes. We expect Script Limits to, for example, prevent one mainland parcel owner from eating far too much of the region resources than the amount of land warrants. It will improve peoples experience

[2010/02/18 11:58] Charlene Trudeau: Chaley, all the tools (3rd party) I knew of that did that for us have shut down, sigh,

[2010/02/18 11:58] Liisa Runo: the web page i pasted above can find what sims share same server

[2010/02/18 11:58] Prokofy Neva: that way you can browbeat the people you believe to be culprits, sounds great

[2010/02/18 11:58] Prokofy Neva: but why do they need to share in the first place?

[2010/02/18 11:58] wildorchid Fairymeadow: not browbeat info..

[2010/02/18 11:58] Chaley May: wow thanx Liisa

[2010/02/18 11:58] Prokofy Neva: I mean they have to on the mainland obviously but why wouldn’t somebody who had a bunch get to just keep them dedicated

[2010/02/18 11:58] Charlene Trudeau: thank you, Liisa

[2010/02/18 11:58] Arwen Daviau: jack let me ask you this right now 8 full sims share one server with 4gb of memory.. is that correct???

[2010/02/18 11:58] Prokofy Neva: wildorchid, if you get info that the 7 sims you are sharing are all sex clubs then naturally you will go and harass the people

[2010/02/18 11:59] Cynianne Hellershanks: We plan to expand – could we get all our estate sims on one server?

[2010/02/18 11:59] wildorchid Fairymeadow: LOL..

[2010/02/18 11:59] wildorchid Fairymeadow: okay Prokofy

[2010/02/18 11:59] Chaley May: 8 sims on 1 server now?????

[2010/02/18 11:59] Jack Linden: Prokofy, the server sharing question has come up a few times. The reason it has always been a floating pool of hardware that a region grabs from when it comes up, is that way because we wanted plenty of failover for when, for example, we have a rack die on us. If we pinned regins to hardware then when that hardware fails, their region would stay down. But we are thinking more about this and there may be changes we can make to handle it more fairly

[2010/02/18 11:59] Liisa Runo: personally i think LL could just double the number of servers, and upgrade them all, LL sure has money to do it, easily

[2010/02/18 12:00] Dahlea Milena: I worked in a mainframe environment, if a server crashed & all of one thikng is on that sesrver… the mess trying to get those back up for buisiness is a headache…

[2010/02/18 12:00] Jack Linden: Arwen, it depends on the precise hardware (we have several models in production at any time). Full regions get a CPU to themselves, Homesteads share a CPU

[2010/02/18 12:00] Jack Linden: Each Server has multiple CPUs

[2010/02/18 12:00] Dahlea Milena: we spread them around for a reason

[2010/02/18 12:01] Summer Windlow: if you have 4 sims why cant you be allocated your own server so that you can manage your own sims ? is this not doable???

[2010/02/18 12:01] Melody Regent: I would love to have the sims servers in my control as to who I am near. We have, for years, controls script limits. With 140ish sims, I would love to see that all mine were bulked on the same servers becuase we spend alot of time making sure we are not overly scripted. But I see that ‘choosing’ a server may be an issue. Is it Jack? would it be possible that like owners can share like servers?

[2010/02/18 12:01] Cynianne Hellershanks: Jack what happens on a real sim is we are well within script limits, start using a scripted item which drive that script time up, still within limits, and then all other regions on the server get busy and suddenly our script times are threw the roof, all over the place and even non used, low time items are registering as very high

[2010/02/18 12:02] Cynianne Hellershanks: how is it our times vary so wildly, when we are well within compliance?

[2010/02/18 12:02] Zeebster Colasanti: same here, Melody. i’m sure Linden Labs could have a couple hot-standby racks ready to handle any failover requirements

[2010/02/18 12:02] Ruth Sandalwood is Offline

[2010/02/18 12:02] Jack Linden: To be clear, the reason why CPU and server sharing can cause problems is precisely because we don’t have things like script resources.. when we have those controls then a lot of those issues will be resolved because regions will be operating within the boundaries of their performance

[2010/02/18 12:03] Arwen Daviau whispers: well i know for one i would pay additional for better hardware for mine.. memory and cpu’s are cheap enough.. to bad we cant build our own, lol

[2010/02/18 12:03] Cynianne Hellershanks: so since we are already doing that Jack, then we should expect huge improvement?

[2010/02/18 12:03] Dahlea Milena: so wouldn’t behoove us to have script limits in place sooner rather than at some indefinate unknow far distant future then Jack?

[2010/02/18 12:03] Chaley May: so you can better allocate the memory usage over more sims on 1 machine

[2010/02/18 12:03] Dennis Lagan: jack are you still “thiking” about puttiung homesteads with 3 per CPU instead of 4? you been thinking over a year now, you must know it

[2010/02/18 12:03] Qie Niangao: Jack, a lot of these estates are clearly fighting ghosts–is there any way 1.38 server can be pushed out sooner, so the worst of the Mono performance bugs are out of the way?

[2010/02/18 12:03] Melody Regent: “sorting’ the servers seems to me that it shouldntbe to hard. If the sim onwer is the same, they all go on the same server. If there are room for 4 sims and only 3 owned by the same owner, then yes, let a 4th in. But the 3 should be allowed to stay together

[2010/02/18 12:04] Arwen Daviau: agreed melody

[2010/02/18 12:04] Cynianne Hellershanks: Great idea Melody

[2010/02/18 12:04] Zeebster Colasanti: but, Jack, did you not just say that you will not be delivering these controls for quite some time and in the time being you’ll only provide land owners with tools to report on script usage?

[2010/02/18 12:04] Dytska Vieria: yes, and it makes sim crossings much smoother

[2010/02/18 12:04] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Yesah Melody

[2010/02/18 12:04] Arwen Daviau: i would buy more just to have my own and that way i have control over my own resources..

[2010/02/18 12:05] Cynianne Hellershanks: that would be great Arwen, controlling our own servers

[2010/02/18 12:05] Cynianne Hellershanks: its easy enough

[2010/02/18 12:05] Arawn Spitteler thinks blocks of null sims could be similarly allocated.

[2010/02/18 12:05] Cynianne Hellershanks: What say Jack? shoot holes in that one because we really want to know why not?

[2010/02/18 12:05] Melody Regent: Jack, I have asked this already today, and got no answer from you. What ADDITIONAL controls besides script controls will you be giving to Private Estate Owners?

[2010/02/18 12:05] Summer Windlow: so jack theres a new way to make a buck and solve a problem by 4 sims control your own server lol

[2010/02/18 12:06] Arwen Daviau: we have had script limits in place on my sims for over a year with all my residents.. it would be an easy transition

[2010/02/18 12:06] Jack Linden: Zeebster, yeah we have to do this in a controlled way.. information first, then controls, then enforcement

[2010/02/18 12:06] Dennis Lagan: jack are you still “thinking” about putting homesteads with 3 per CPU instead of 4? you been thinking over a year now, you must know it by now…

[2010/02/18 12:06] Jack Linden: It will take until the end of the year before we really see any enforcement

[2010/02/18 12:06] Jack Linden: So people will have lots of time to adjust

[2010/02/18 12:07] Cynianne Hellershanks: another year of this ? you gotta be kidding

[2010/02/18 12:07] Zida Sabra: Jack can you please answer Melody’s question..

[2010/02/18 12:07] Charlene Trudeau: Dennis, that may depend on how homestead volumes hold up once they either do or don’t do away with grandfathering at the end of the year

[2010/02/18 12:07] Zeebster Colasanti: ok so the target is to get this done inside of 2010?

[2010/02/18 12:07] Arawn Spitteler: As Estate managers gain the ability to see, they may suggest some courtesy

[2010/02/18 12:07] Jack Linden: Qie, i think 1.38 is coming along fairly soon. And yes, my understanding is that it has some performance improvements in it

[2010/02/18 12:07] Cynianne Hellershanks: [12:05] Melody Regent: Jack, I have asked this already today, and got no answer from you. What ADDITIONAL controls besides script controls will you be giving to Private Estate Owners?

[2010/02/18 12:08] Arwen Daviau: [12:05:46] Melody Regent: Jack, I have asked this already today, and got no answer from you. What ADDITIONAL controls besides script controls will you be giving to Private Estate Owners?… would like to know this

[2010/02/18 12:08] Rene Grigorovich is Online

[2010/02/18 12:08] Melody Regent: Thank you guys, he ignored me the last meeting too

[2010/02/18 12:08] Cynianne Hellershanks: Estate managers have always had the ability to see script times

[2010/02/18 12:08] Cynianne Hellershanks: and control them

[2010/02/18 12:08] Charlene Trudeau: like when can we set things to NEVER allow ban lines

[2010/02/18 12:08] Hollywood Topaz: Enough

[2010/02/18 12:08] Hollywood Topaz: Let Jack answer Melody

[2010/02/18 12:08] Cynianne Hellershanks: just not the abusers in the shared servers

[2010/02/18 12:08] Hollywood Topaz: questions

[2010/02/18 12:08] Arwen Daviau: waits for answer to melody’s question

[2010/02/18 12:08] Hollywood Topaz: Please Jack

[2010/02/18 12:09] Melody Regent: He is typing, let him finish

[2010/02/18 12:09] Cynianne Hellershanks: he is laggingso bad we just cant see it

[2010/02/18 12:09] Hollywood Topaz: shhh

[2010/02/18 12:09] Arawn Spitteler: He might be crashing

[2010/02/18 12:10] Jack Linden: Melody, the main focus over the next few quarters will be on some big projects like provide detailed data to landowners and merchants, redeveloping areas like xstreet and how land is transacted (some of which will be estate related tools), and leveraging some of the new technology to let estates manage land remotely.

[2010/02/18 12:10] Jack Linden: Script Limits is a part of that

[2010/02/18 12:10] Hollywood Topaz: Melody you have the floor any other questions

[2010/02/18 12:10] Melody Regent: we have been here often asking for more ESTATE controls, what are some of the controls, besides script limits will we be getting?

[2010/02/18 12:10] Cynianne Hellershanks: Thanks Jack – so if estates can be managed remotely, will they still need script limits?

[2010/02/18 12:11] Jack Linden: Folks, for future meetings do remember that if you keep dropping notecards on me and IM me directly it makes it tough for me to answer the questions

[2010/02/18 12:11] Dennis Lagan: you mean the next decades, knowintg lindenlab

[2010/02/18 12:11] Cynianne Hellershanks: sarcasm is not needed Dennis

[2010/02/18 12:11] Melody Regent: for 9 months we have talked about others, such as controlins ban lines and other parcel settings from an estate level. Will those be comoing?

[2010/02/18 12:11] Jack Linden: Okays, I’m afraid I have to run. Sorry for the lateness and thank you for coming along today

[2010/02/18 12:11] Melody Regent: Of course

[2010/02/18 12:11] Arawn Spitteler: The next decade is next year anyways,

[2010/02/18 12:11] Jack Linden: Hope this was useful!

[2010/02/18 12:11] Ciaran Laval: cheers Jack

[2010/02/18 12:11] Equinox Pinion: the only way you can take it cynianne

[2010/02/18 12:12] Hollywood Topaz: Good Day Jack

[2010/02/18 12:12] Qie Niangao: Thanks Jack.

[2010/02/18 12:12] MissMissy Moonbeam: tc, Jack, ty

[2010/02/18 12:12] Cynianne Hellershanks: this was interesting

[2010/02/18 12:12] wildorchid Fairymeadow: Oh melody hge didn’t answer

[2010/02/18 12:12] Alexxa Despres: thanks, Jack

[2010/02/18 12:12] Melody Regent: This will be the FIRST question I ask next week Jack, please be ready for it

[2010/02/18 12:12] Ciaran Laval: Did we find out who has the Linden home textures?

[2010/02/18 12:12] Summer Windlow: maybe of topic butdo we have any info on when the proposed pricing will take effect for xstreet listings please?

[2010/02/18 12:12] Zida Sabra: Be well Jack.!

[2010/02/18 12:12] Melody Regent: Like I said he doesnt answer me

[2010/02/18 12:12] Dennis Lagan: then he wil lnot come next week, melody lol

[2010/02/18 12:12] Alexxa Despres: Have a good weekend….enjoy SF..and eat some sourdough bread for me

[2010/02/18 12:12] Arwen Daviau: absolutely

[2010/02/18 12:12] Jack Linden: All the best everyone!

[2010/02/18 12:12] Jack Linden waves

[2010/02/18 12:12] Arawn Spitteler: He might not have an answer prepared

[2010/02/18 12:12] Cynianne Hellershanks: guess now is a good time to go see our new Linden homes

[2010/02/18 12:12] Hollywood Topaz: How can he answer any of them with everyone through out different questions at one time

[2010/02/18 12:13] Ciaran Laval: Don’t be swayed Jack, stick with sausage sarnies or take the free bacon from Blue

[2010/02/18 12:13] Hollywood Topaz: get organized folks

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arwen Daviau: i say we all ask melody’s question next week and not talk till he answers

[2010/02/18 12:13] Melody Regent: Holly, this is not hte first time I asked him that questions

[2010/02/18 12:13] Hollywood Topaz: you’ll get more accomplished

[2010/02/18 12:13] Cynianne Hellershanks: private ims and notecards arent fair to him at meetings

[2010/02/18 12:13] Jack Linden is Offline

[2010/02/18 12:13] Melody Regent: he has had lots ot time to come up with an answer

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arawn Spitteler: Lindens have to be careful what they say, because they might be seen as agents of corporation, rather than as opinionated employees

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arwen Daviau: see you all next week

[2010/02/18 12:13] Hollywood Topaz: no but Have one voice for the all of you

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arwen Daviau: i nominate melody

[2010/02/18 12:13] Melody Regent: we dont all have the same concerns dear, will never work

[2010/02/18 12:13] Melody Regent: hahaha, Arwen!

[2010/02/18 12:13] Arwen Daviau: lol

[2010/02/18 12:13] APinkSwan Beauchamp: Well, there was organization and a question was asked numerous times and never answered. Will be here next time for the answer.

[2010/02/18 12:14] Hollywood Topaz: Never accomplished a thing

[2010/02/18 12:14] Arwen Daviau: i say we drop her nc’s

[2010/02/18 12:14] Qie Niangao: Oh, Ciaran, I had that question about textures ready to repeat from clipboard, but figured I’d get killed if I interrupted the estate controls questioning

[2010/02/18 12:14] Arwen Daviau: with pur wuestions

[2010/02/18 12:14] Cynianne Hellershanks: why Hollywood, we are not a representative government, we are a monarchy

[2010/02/18 12:14] Arwen Daviau: questions

[2010/02/18 12:14] Zida Sabra: Holly its hard to have one voice

[2010/02/18 12:14] Hollywood Topaz: lol

[2010/02/18 12:14] Arwen Daviau: bye all

[2010/02/18 12:14] Melody Regent: Shoot guys, I will take the NC and ask the questions, never an issue

[2010/02/18 12:14] Melody Regent: lol

[2010/02/18 12:14] Cynianne Hellershanks: bye

[2010/02/18 12:14] Zida Sabra: good bye

[2010/02/18 12:14] Hollywood Topaz: see

[2010/02/18 12:14] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Linden%20Estate%20Services/156/114/38

[10:55]  Jack Linden is Online
[10:57]  Jack Linden has entered the sim.
[10:58]  Moon Corrigible: Yay! Jacks’ here!
[10:58]  Jack Linden: hey folks
[10:58]  Qie Niangao: Greetings, Jack.
[10:58]  CPU Core: nothing is new though
[10:58]  Alkanos Smit: hello jack ^^
[10:58]  Jude Towton: Yay, Jacks’s here
[10:58]  Dytska Vieria: Hi Jack!
[10:58]  CPU Core: hi Jack
[10:58]  Daniel Voyager: hey Jack
[10:59]  Ardy Lay: Hello Jack.
[10:59]  Frankie Antonioni: Hey Jack.
[10:59]  Jack Linden: how is everyone this week?
[10:59]  Jude Towton: grumbles, “usual”
[10:59]  Frankie Antonioni: Are right.
[10:59]  Ardy Lay: Kinda grumpy.
[10:59]  Jack Linden: uh oh, that doesn’t sounds good Jude!
[10:59]  Jack Linden:
[10:59]  CPU Core: im fine.. on a campaign to get paid sandboxes or premium sandboxes
[10:59]  Zoha Boa: hi everyone, doing fine here
[10:59]  Driftwood Miles: Great thanks Jack
[10:59]  Jude Towton: Well, its the usual spin on enforcing ACP
[11:00]  Jack Linden: Ah the adult content policy.. what specifically Jude?
[11:00]  Jude Towton: The hundreds of places not in complaince and that LL is doing nothing
[11:01]  Jude Towton: Relying on AR’s when people arent…apparently
[11:01]  Jude Towton: Here’s a question : What is LL doing about violent themed places, instead of saying (quote Blondin) it’s “tough?” Have you just given up on making them compliant with ACP?

“The Adult designation applies to Second Life® Regions that host conduct or display content that is sexually explicit or intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use. Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:
Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)
[11:02]  Ardy Lay: Sounds like the squatter next to Nyx Linden’s place.
[11:03]  Jack Linden: Ah I see, well.. we absolutely have not given up on making people comply with policies. But the balance to that is that we don’t have infinite resource but I would agree that it is important. We can’t make such large policy statements without the commitment to follow through. I would need to go speak with the team to get a handle on where they are right now with load
[11:03]  Jack Linden: Jude, I will look into it
[11:03]  Qie Niangao: Yeah, it would be fine if there just no policy at all… but half-way enforcement of the policy makes it business-suicide to comply.
[11:03]  Jack Linden: If you have clear cut examples, let me have them
[11:03]  Jude Towton: Then, question 2: What exactally IS LL doing about ACP, do they have anyone at all LOOKING for places not in compliance? I’ve given LL the tools and the means to do it, meaning how to search for those not in compliance, is there a teeam, or even one person searching them?
[11:03]  Jack Linden: Qie, agreed
[11:03]  xstorm Radek: eeepppp rezz fast i see nude people
[11:03]  Zoha Boa: jack, whyis an activity only adult if you advertise for i t?
[11:03]  Jude Towton: On that card…that note…find them yourself, it isnt hard
[11:04]  Jack Linden: Jude, we have a large team that covers a range of different inworld issues such as harassment, policy enforcement, etc.
[11:04]  Jude Towton: Yes…and….why havent the numbers changed in 4 weeks?
[11:04]  Jude Towton: Find them yourself, as I said, it isnt hard
[11:04]  Jack Linden: Zoha, the original intent was that we were focussed on ‘commercialised adult activities and services’
[11:05]  Zoha Boa: so it’s ok to have an orgie on PG land as long as you don’t make a classified? Isn’t this classification not made to prevent that people who don’t want to see it don’t go to adult sims ?
[11:05]  Jack Linden: That was communicated at the time in the inworld meetings and forum posts. Two individuals in a skybox is a different issue than a large adult club
[11:06]  Jack Linden: Zoha, no.. that’s a simplification and clearly there will have to be some subjectivity no mater how tightly we try to define rules.
[11:06]  Jude Towton: So what’s “being done” about the violent themed places?
[11:06]  Jack Linden: For the most part it is very clear when something should be in the adult and when it should not
[11:06]  Zoha Boa: yes it is jack. you only look at the advertising
[11:07]  Jude Towton: Not that I care, it’s just that the plan failed, you and I and all here know it.
[11:07]  Zoha Boa: [11:25] Blondin Linden: A strip club and nudity itself were deemed Mature. As long as the stip club didn’t use adult key words or have adult animations in some sort of backroom sex, then it could be on mature land.
[11:07]  Jack Linden: Jude, without checking with the team I can’t easily answer other than to affirm our commitment to enforcement.. so give me some examples and let me find out
[11:07]  Jude Towton: Jack, did you get that card?
[11:07]  Driftwood Miles: a line had to be drawn somewhere, hence the policy. To totally ban any adult activity would be impossible to enforce. Thats not to say the currecnt set up is easy to police
[11:07]  Jude Towton: I gave you one a few weeks ago, I gaeve the HOW TO FIND them in AR’s
[11:07]  Jack Linden: Ah yes Jude I did, thanks (I get cards constantly, so i hadn’t realised it was from you)
[11:07]  Jude Towton: I have a problem with the HUNDREDS I found
[11:08]  Ezio Iadyl has left the sim.
[11:08]  CPU Core: So you will probably be left with only people who are unable to Comply with the policy and they will have a choice between shutting down their business or getting banned.. pretty much anyone would choose to get banned than lose their business
[11:08]  Arawn Spitteler wonders if he’s sitting on anybody
[11:08]  Frankie Antonioni: If a store sells guns, does that count as adult content?
[11:08]  Driftwood Miles: or wet fish
[11:08]  Arawn Spitteler: If a store sells adult content, I’d hardly call that adult
[11:08]  Jack Linden: Jude, I literally get hundreds of notecards and as much as I would love to, I simply can’t read them all. My IMs get capped too. But I will take your feedback to the team
[11:09]  Ciaran Laval has entered the sim.
[11:09]  Jude Towton: Sooo, an inking on how LL is enforcing keeping violent themed places, hmm? Last I knew it was “tough” because LL couldnt filter the words
[11:09]  Master Kane: doesnt capped IMs goto the email when you sign up
[11:09]  CPU Core: also you look at the prices to buy land in Zindra.. they would have to sell their old land at a loss and buy new land at least 5x more expensive to move..t hats crazy.. you should be swapping parcels instead
[11:09]  Motor Loon: ooh jack dont get IM’s offline
[11:09]  Zoha Boa: jack..talking about capped messages…i’m next month 3 years in SL..when will this bug be fixed
[11:09]  xstorm Radek: Jack when is the mainland in Corsica continent get people putting in the roads its been 2 years now from when it did win by votes to get them roads put in and yet it seem even blondin linden did not know about the corsica continent …. Now is linden labs hoping for people to just give up there land and drop out of second life so linden lab can have the land back for some builds they plan on doing later ?
[11:10]  Master Kane: hey wild
[11:10]  Jack Linden: xstorm, we have a plan of road building across all the continents but right now we have had to push a lot of energy into the upcoming launch of Linden Homes. We’ll get back on track soon with the road building though
[11:10]  Arawn Spitteler struggles to cam back a bit: Hi, Ardy
[11:11]  Ardy Lay: Hi
[11:11]  Qie Niangao: ooo, speaking of roads: lots of progress on Heterocera, on roads I thought would never get completed.
[11:11]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: Hey Kane
[11:11]  xstorm Radek: Jack why not put Patch Linden on it do to he was the person that did make up the half the corsica contenent map in the first place ?
[11:12]  Trinity Nabob: yes by all means push back everything that needs to be done, over what will only continue to make business harder on residential community owners.
[11:12]  Jack Linden: xstorm, Patch manages the Concierge team, he wouldn’t be the person to build roads. The content team does that work
[11:12]  Jude Towton: YEah, plan more things when you cant do what you planned a year and a half ago
[11:12]  APinkSwan Beauchamp is Online
[11:12]  Dytska Vieria: From my time here, it seems the content team moves on before finishing previous work.
[11:13]  Jack Linden: So what did you guys think of the recent monthly island pricing blog post?
[11:13]  xstorm Radek: yes but patch linden know what corsica continent is and it seems blondin linden had no clue what it was
[11:13]  CPU Core: i thought.. why bother
[11:13]  CPU Core: only good news for a minority
[11:13]  Jude Towton: Heh, it’s only right, in my opinion, then again how could LL justify an INCREASE with all the land out there empty
[11:13]  Trinity Nabob: it makes me angry. it sets the ground work for all tiers to be increased to $295.00 per month next year.
[11:13]  Equinox Pinion: Why is it not on the featured blog posts..many people dont see it that way!!
[11:13]  Driftwood Miles: Totally awesome we have something that allows us to plan
[11:14]  Jack Linden: Trinity, what makes you think that?
[11:14]  Equinox Pinion: and whene will you post bout te changes in Jan 2011…in 6 months??
[11:14]  Jack Linden: We certainly haven’t said that
[11:14]  Zeebster Colasanti: Jack, i myself am very surprised that it took you so long to come up with what is basically no news
[11:14]  Ciaran Laval: I thought it was fine Jack
[11:14]  Trinity Nabob: the transfer after 1 May 2010 will increase the tier to the new owner.
[11:15]  Jack Linden: Equinox, something like that yes. We want to give these regular updates so that people get plenty of assurance over pricing
[11:15]  Frankie Antonioni: If you increase tiers on mainland, why not make the mainland hold the same number of avatars, as the islands?
[11:15]  Jude Towton: LL cant possibly justify a raise …just look at land prices now
[11:15]  Melody Regent nods in agreement with Zeebster
[11:15]  Driftwood Miles: Some changes didn’t bear thinking about Zeebster so status quo for some was fgood news indeed
[11:15]  Trinity Nabob: Already ppl are offering less for GF estates.
[11:15]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: i think anyone who has been here for years should get a tier break..if they own land now…wwe are the ones who have stood by you ,,we deserve a tier break
[11:15]  Equinox Pinion: and why is it not in the featured blogs???
[11:15]  xstorm Radek: Jack why not get more then one linden person working the mainland continents do to it seem blondin linden has to much on his plans to do it all at this time ?
[11:16]  Jack Linden: Zeebster, it may be no news in some respects, but from the business perspective of understanding our revenues and forecasts, deciding to push out that grandfathering is not a trivial decision
[11:16]  CPU Core: I only want to be hearing about price decreases
[11:16]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: with economy at its lowest ..we are all dying here.
[11:16]  Qie Niangao: so… is there more news coming about new land products?
[11:17]  Jude Towton: Yep, my place that did wonderfully in the old Mature land for three years is now dying, thanks
[11:17]  Jack Linden: xstorm, we have a team of people that work the mainland, but Patch and Blondin are not part of that team
[11:17]  Trinity Nabob: “deciding to push out that grandfathering is not a trivial decision” it’s statements just like that one that make me believe that LL will increase all tiers to $295.00
[11:17]  Zeebster Colasanti: i totally understand, but it’s not a very complex decision. i was looking for something along the lines of: “your tier remains grandfathered on all your sims as long as you continue adding sims to your holdings”. that sort of option would have required some in depth analysis that would require time.
[11:18]  Jack Linden: Trinity, we have no such plans in the works right now. I’m sorry that you see this as a precursor to some badness but really, that wasn’t our intention
[11:18]  xstorm Radek: then why do we get told to talk to blondin linden by the moles when it comes to work we need done in a mainland sim that we own ?
[11:18]  Sarah Nerd has entered the sim.
[11:18]  Melody Regent: Certainly not something to delay the announcement and break your word, but that is just me
[11:18]  Yohan Pintens has entered the sim.
[11:18]  Drongle McMahon has entered the sim.
[11:19]  Jack Linden: Zeebster, those kinds of programs where we reward growth are a part of our future. I also expect that we will be looking hard at loyalty based rewards too
[11:19]  Trinity Nabob: Unfortunatly Jack I have come to expect that what one Linden says is later changed by another Linden.
[11:19]  Melody Regent nods in agreement with Trinity
[11:19]  Equinox Pinion: again jack…why is it not in the featured blog post so everybody can see it
[11:20]  Master Kane: Yep, that business polotics , trin
[11:20]  Master Kane: lag.. sorry
[11:20]  Jack Linden: Well melody, I’m sorry that it arrived a few days later than expected. It took a lot of work to get the decision and we feel it was the right decision and worth taking that extra time on
[11:20]  Melody Regent: mmmhmmmm
[11:20]  CPU Core: rewarding growth is not so good for those who start late.. they will be at a disadvantage
[11:20]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: “loyalty Based Rewards”..Humm hopeit isn’t another dress up like the 40′s party..not to be snide
[11:20]  Trinity Nabob: Jack answer me this; Why the date of 1 May 2010? Are all servers switching to Class 5′s on or about that date?
[11:21]  Jack Linden: Equinox, good question.. not sure why it wasn’t a featured post.. I hadn’t realised it wasn’t
[11:21]  Jack Linden: hey Yohan, would you be able to stop the helicopter noises?
[11:21]  Jude Towton: heh, same reason ACP wasn’t announced properly
[11:21]  Master Kane: 2nd Q, trin?
[11:21]  Nber Medici: Can someone give me a link to the post?
[11:21]  Alexxa Despres: I would imagine a decsion like that has to be hashed and rehashed with many many people..
[11:21]  Yohan Pintens: haha I have my sound muted so I didn’t realize I was making them
[11:21]  xstorm Radek: Jack is a person owns a full mainland sim with a road that needs building what linden do we talk to then for it seems we have been on the old game of paper chase and its a bit silly
[11:21]  Qie Niangao: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2010/02/05/island-monthly-fee-pricing-for-2010
[11:21]  Equinox Pinion: you should really change it jack
[11:22]  Jack Linden: thanks
[11:22]  Equinox Pinion: many people have no clue about it yet
[11:22]  Jack Linden: phew that was loud.
[11:22]  Yohan Pintens: my apologies
[11:22]  Jack Linden: xstorm, I would suggest you ping Michael Linden or create a Land ticket
[11:22]  Arawn Spitteler tries not to mute stuff
[11:22]  Nber Medici: ty
[11:23]  Nber Medici has left the sim.
[11:23]  Frankie Antonioni: If mainland is going up, why not make mainland Class 5.
[11:23]  Zoha Boa: Jack, How many C4 sims have been converted to C5allready ?
[11:23]  Master Kane: there is no more class
[11:23]  xstorm Radek: Jack we have been down that path and we was told its up to you as to what sims the road gets put in .
[11:23]  Ciaran Laval: Mainland isn’t going up and mainland is already at least class 5
[11:23]  Master Kane: its all “5″
[11:23]  Sarah Nerd: mainland is going up?
[11:23]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: LOL !!! !!!
[11:23]  Driftwood Miles: class has been declassified
[11:23]  Jack Linden: Frankie, we don’t have class as a designation any more, but all Mainland is on the more recent hardeware
[11:24]  Jack Linden: *hardware
[11:24]  Frankie Antonioni: Ok.
[11:24]  Trinity Nabob: When i arrived here a message prompted that informed me that this simulator was different than the one i was running.
[11:24]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: change the name to protect the innocent
[11:24]  Jack Linden: Zoha, some of them have been.. we have another set to get through I believe
[11:24]  Qie Niangao: Trin: must be a 1.36 pilot region
[11:24]  Zoha Boa: how many % has been done ?
[11:24]  Trinity Nabob: Put mine at the top of the list please Jack.
[11:24]  Master Kane: pilots, trin
[11:24]  CPU Core: so mainland prices are definitely going up?
[11:25]  Jack Linden: Zoha, I’m not sure. Let me quickly look..
[11:25]  Mitch Gaffer is Offline
[11:25]  xstorm Radek: Jack the head mole tells us thats they can not do any thing with out you telling them what to do next
[11:25]  Jude Towton: CPU, he was saying the servers were going up
[11:25]  Jack Linden: Okay, this is my quick calc but it looks as though over half have been done
[11:26]  Trinity Nabob: So why the 1 May 2010 date?
[11:26]  Zoha Boa: that’s jack’s RL birthday, trinity
[11:26]  Jack Linden: xstorm, as i said.. we wil put all the roads in and have built a huge amount already. i’m not sure when they expect to get to Corsica
[11:26]  Jack Linden: Hehe Zoha, it’s not! My birthday is October
[11:27]  Zoha Boa: lol
[11:27]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: ooo everyone get a tier break on birthday one month free
[11:27]  Trinity Nabob pokes Zoha
[11:27]  Driftwood Miles: Jack are there any new land product impending?
[11:27]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: happy Birthday
[11:27]  Master Kane: lol
[11:27]  Melody Regent: [11:16] Qie Niangao: so… is there more news coming about new land products?
[11:27]  Driftwood Miles: lol
[11:27]  Vex Streeter is Online
[11:27]  Jack Linden: Trinity, we wanted to give some notice and yet make a clear start point for that change. May 1st was what we decided was the best date
[11:27]  xstorm Radek: So Jack my next steps is to abuse report the linden lab road do to not in fit looking shape to be called a road for our trendone sim
[11:28]  Trinity Nabob: Thx for the answer Jack.
[11:28]  Master Kane: and not to mention its the start of most business 2nd quarter
[11:28]  Master Kane: or first, on some
[11:28]  Jack Linden: Driftwood, one of the things we may look at soon is whether we can provide more flexible options for Homesteads, for example one with more prims but less agents than the current one. It actually came out of a discussion we had in this office hours
[11:28]  Jack Linden: So we’ll look at that
[11:29]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: kane stop that..hehe financial report
[11:29]  Equinox Pinion: i dont get the 1st May…you told people HS will stay GF till end of June…now with the transfer they dont….i really dont get linden logic most of the time
[11:29]  Jack Linden: Otherwise no plans for new land products
[11:29]  Master Kane:
[11:29]  Zeebster Colasanti: would that option be modifiable within the region config or is it something that would need to be defined at purchase time?
[11:29]  Master Kane: Well.. gosh wild.. I made a whole whopping – (minus) 2K so..
[11:29]  Melody Regent: Exactly Equinox, but it was a well thought out, strenuous process
[11:30]  Driftwood Miles: ok, sounds interesting…..and one I would hope would work the other way as well…more agents less prims
[11:30]  Arawn Spitteler: End of GF will cause a hit to resale value, in principe
[11:30]  Trinity Nabob: I noticed a new page “coming soon” islands with prebuilt themes Jack, that is indeed new.
[11:30]  Qie Niangao: (Thanks for the new-products answer, Jack.)
[11:30]  Jack Linden: Zeebster, if we did it then it would be a purchase option and something you could convert a different homestead to. But we’d have to look at it because I’d rather the estate owner were able to choose the setup without needing us to change things
[11:31]  Zeebster Colasanti: agreed. i don’t like those conversion fees
[11:31]  xstorm Radek: Jack a petition do to lack of work on the corsica continent is next
[11:32]  Jack Linden: Driftwood, totally.. if you consider that a Homestead has two levers (3 with script resource), then we’d like estate owners to have more access to those levers so that they can decide how to spend their resources
[11:32]  Perdita Muggins has entered the sim.
[11:32]  Qie Niangao: oh, by the way… the KB still talks about an *upgrade* fee from Class 4 to Class 5… surely LL won’t still charge for that anymore, right?
[11:32]  Jack Linden: In general, empowering estates to build products is part of our roadmap.
[11:32]  Zeebster Colasanti: Jack: at some point i’ve heard speculation that controls will be introduced to limit resource usage on a per parcel basis so that content on one parcel would not affect performance of other parcels on the sim. is this being pursued in development? any ETA?
[11:32]  Driftwood Miles: works for me, thanks
[11:32]  Master Kane: hey that includes me.. doesnt it?
[11:32]  Master Kane:
[11:33]  Arawn Spitteler: Andrew Hour is good for parcel limit discussions
[11:33]  Master Kane: crap keeps up likes this.. id be out soon
[11:33]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: it would be a Hardware Upgreade
[11:34]  Trinity Nabob: If LL were to upgrade on their own without authorization for charges, they would be in trouble with cc companies. Sooo I think it would be all on them.
[11:34]  Jack Linden: Zeebster, that is the script limits work that is ongoing. The new Viewer will, for the first time, begin to show script load as a measure on Land and for Avatars
[11:34]  Jack Linden: To begin with it will just be shown as info on a new panel, but over time it will become tied to tools that let people manage script resource
[11:34]  Zeebster Colasanti: excellent. when is the new viewer due to come out?
[11:34]  Melody Regent: view is expected when? and NO, I am not asking for a date, but a general… month would be nice
[11:35]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: do we have Numbers on those limits
[11:35]  Master Kane: phewy.. good… no bouncing boobs … more geared around performance items
[11:35]  Melody Regent: Viewer*
[11:35]  Jack Linden: Zeebster, the RC/beta process is set to start quite soon now
[11:35]  CPU Core: Jack has anything changed with Homesteads to justify the increased pricing? such as less homestead per machine?
[11:35]  Jude Towton: *coughs* That’s LL “soon”…could be months
[11:35]  Ciaran Laval: Homesteads aren’t increasing in price, they’ve extended the grandfathered pricing
[11:35]  Trinity Nabob: nods @ Jude
[11:36]  Melody Regent: He is asling about the CURRENt increase
[11:36]  CPU Core: no i mean from the original price
[11:36]  Master Kane: Hi Taal
[11:36]  Moon Corrigible has an Aslan moment.. they call all times ‘soon’
[11:36]  Master Kane: -a
[11:36]  Melody Regent: Talarus, I was missing the dripping, thank you for coming
[11:36]  CPU Core: the reason all this became an issue.. they increased to these prices because they was saying it costs more for them to be ran
[11:36]  Jack Linden: wildorchid, we have been collecting giant amounts of data on script usage and so we’re pretty confident that we can set limits (eventually) that only impact the very heavy users
[11:36]  CPU Core: but im not seeing it
[11:36]  xstorm Radek: well jack i do not see much hope for the corsica contenent
[11:36]  Jack Linden: Most people will be well within any limits we set
[11:36]  xstorm Radek has left the sim.
[11:36]  CPU Core: i am still seeing the same amount of sims on 1 server as before.. only difference they made is price
[11:36]  Arawn Spitteler: Every moment is near, if you look at it close enough
[11:37]  Moon Corrigible: BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah and look how well that worked with adult content.. oh you crack me up sometimes Jack
[11:37]  Ayesha Lytton is Online
[11:37]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: Okay Thank you..leves me out i hope
[11:37]  Equinox Pinion: CPU..not really…they just change them from a normal priced produtc to an overpriced product
[11:37]  Ciaran Laval: Oh that old wound CPU, we’ve been waiting since November 2008 for an answer to that
[11:37]  Jack Linden: Jude, won’t be months. Jack’s ‘soon’ is short term than that
[11:37]  MoonMaiden Horner is Online
[11:37]  Zeebster Colasanti: Jack: those limits would be applied on a per sim basis, rather than per parcel, i assume? Will we know if one of our sims gets “penalized”?
[11:37]  CPU Core: yes its about time they started telling us the answer
[11:37]  Driftwood Miles: lol Equi
[11:37]  Jude Towton: So, givethem a month
[11:37]  Master Kane: Jack… is there some where we can check to see what other region is on the same host that we are on? (Or if anyone else knows, and not the one that doesnt update for ages)
[11:37]  Frankie Antonioni: ow mny scripts are you allowed on a 512 sq meter, or 1024 sq meter?
[11:38]  Frankie Antonioni: how
[11:38]  Arawn Spitteler: Why not just charge more, for Tech Six Service?
[11:38]  Trinity Nabob: Jack in the end as residential estate owner we will have to limit the scripts used by our customers. Those that can afford the extra fees will once again draw the largest amounts of rental customers. Or as I like to call it “the great divide between the have’s and the have nots”
[11:38]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: course my butt is highy scripted…yikes wild with no butt.a nightmare..
[11:38]  Inbred Texan is Offline
[11:38]  Driftwood Miles: there re a couple of websites that do that Master Kane
[11:38]  Relic Starbrook is Offline
[11:38]  Jack Linden: Zeebster, the way we’re thinking about it is that it would work very much like prims. A region level limit but that within that the amount of land you own in the region would dictate how much script load you could cause
[11:39]  Melody Regent: wait, what did I Miss? Extra fees? for what?
[11:39]  Inbred Texan is Online
[11:39]  Master Kane: Oh Trin.. you mean the “lagtards”? )))
[11:39]  Trinity Nabob: yup
[11:39]  Melody Regent: What fees?
[11:39]  Zeebster Colasanti: excellent. Jack, that is precisely what i am hoping to see. the sooner the better
[11:39]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: to pay you for being his secretary
[11:39]  Jack Linden: Frankie, it won’t be about the count of scripts, but the amount of script memory (and URLs) the scripts use
[11:40]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: wild zips it now
[11:40]  Jack Linden: If you want more detail I would definitely encourage you to attend Babbage Linden’s office hours
[11:40]  Moon Corrigible: OH that is cool Jack
[11:40]  Master Kane: translator off please
[11:40]  Jack Linden: He is part of the team engineering that change
[11:40]  Trinity Nabob: So what kind of fees are we talking about? what is considered excessive drag?
[11:40]  Moon Corrigible has left the sim.
[11:41]  Ciaran Laval: Who mentioned fees? Stuff just won’t work if it goes over the limit
[11:41]  Jude Towton: and what tools does a mainland sim owner have to emasure heavy scripting?
[11:41]  Jack Linden: Trinity, I didn’t mention fees.
[11:41]  Jude Towton: measure
[11:41]  Trinity Nabob: I see so we won’t have any choice.
[11:41]  Melody Regent: where did the fees come from?
[11:41]  Jack Linden: As Ciaran says, hitting the limit will mean that you’d need to remove some script load before adding more
[11:41]  Driftwood Miles: the ether
[11:41]  Perdita Muggins: so it wil basically be a new land parameter, then ?
[11:41]  Melody Regent: like a prim limit Trin
[11:41]  Jack Linden: The interesting part will be whether it drives content creators to be more efficient, and we expect that it will
[11:42]  Melody Regent: you cant go over it, no matter how much you want to
[11:42]  Trinity Nabob: I assumed that there would be fees associated with these limits. So sorry when ever I think LL and new “feature” I now automatically think “fees”
[11:42]  CPU Core: The limits wont do anything
[11:42]  Jack Linden: Perdita, a new measure on land, yes
[11:42]  Melody Regent: Why would there be fees?
[11:42]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: Yesah script limits
[11:42]  CPU Core: the limits are on memory.. the problem is CPU cycles
[11:42]  Arawn Spitteler wonders how many sim owners would be willing to pay extra, for breaking lag inducing content
[11:42]  Trinity Nabob: Ok so what kind of limit are we looking @?
[11:43]  Jude Towton: and how do we know how “heavy” scripting is, in a mainland sim?
[11:43]  Qie Niangao: Last I heard, the script memory limits for parcels were strictly *area* based, not prims… so Homesteads get kind of a good deal that way, right?
[11:43]  Dytska Vieria: LL needs to fix the main cause of lag first before setting limits on otherwise optimum scrips
[11:43]  Dytska Vieria: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895
[11:43]  Jack Linden: Trinity, this is about giving estates control over their performance in ways that we can’t right now. So although we talk about script limits, in fact those limits will be quite generous. The more important point is that estate owners get to know where the load is, manage to the level of performance they want, and remove ‘excessive’ script load because they wil be able to find it
[11:44]  Trinity Nabob: Thx Jack
[11:44]  Jude Towton: Oh…”Estates” only?
[11:44]  CPU Core: i script using low amounts of memory can do far more damage than another using loads
[11:44]  Perdita Muggins: ANd what of use mainland dwellers , in that case ?
[11:44]  Motor Loon is very excited about scriptlimits
[11:44]  Trouble Streeter: well, fixing several of the script bugs that cause excessive cough::mono::cough script load will help all of us
[11:44]  Jack Linden: Jude, as with prims there will clearly be region caps on scripting in Mainland too
[11:44]  Melody Regent: Jack, we have asked ALOT for more groups or more roles in groups. Are you guys even bothering to make motions in that direction? or should we just let it go?
[11:44]  Ciaran Laval: mainlander dwellers will be able to see which of their scripts are causing issues
[11:44]  Jack Linden: But mainlanders will not have as much control
[11:44]  Trinity Nabob: Well thats good news
[11:45]  Robin Lobo has entered the sim.
[11:45]  Melody Regent: I already have an iron control on script limits, so lets get them on the grid. Tomorrow is good for me. Make it so numner One
[11:45]  Dytska Vieria: 1st quarter, right?
[11:45]  Jude Towton: Iwouldnt begin to know hoe to find heavy scripteditems…is there a tool to seek them out?
[11:45]  Jack Linden: Melody, that decision sits with other teams (it’s not a Land or Support related issue as such) but I believe there are plans to revamp/rework the way groups work
[11:45]  Trinity Nabob: lol Melody
[11:45]  Trouble Streeter: whose office hours do we stalk for the groups question, Jack?
[11:45]  Ciaran Laval: The new viewer should provide you with more info Jude, it’s due in beta soon apparently
[11:45]  Jack Linden: hehe Melody
[11:45]  Master Kane: Mel.. if and when you have this in NC WITHOUT the translators crap.. could you send it to me , please Ma’am?
[11:46]  Melody Regent: and whoes office hours do I go to to talk to them about that?
[11:46]  Jack Linden: Jude, we will provide tools
[11:46]  Jack Linden: That’s part of the same project
[11:46]  Melody Regent: I will Master
[11:46]  Jude Towton: Do otherwise, Cirian, there isnt any tool I can buy?
[11:46]  Master Kane: Thank you!
[11:46]  Jude Towton: So otherwise*
[11:46]  ATechwolf Foxclaw has entered the sim.
[11:46]  Melody Regent: I dont see a translator, come stand by me
[11:46]  Melody Regent: Motor wont bite
[11:46]  Melody Regent: Missy might
[11:46]  MissMissy Moonbeam: hey!
[11:46]  Master Kane: I dunno.. he looks pretty mean lol
[11:47]  Motor Loon: ..much
[11:47]  Trouble Streeter: so Jack… whose office hours do I stalk to get an answer on group functionality?
[11:47]  Jack Linden: Trouble, good question.. I’m not sure who, in thtat team, does office hours. I expect there will be some public discussion when they get into the project proper
[11:47]  Jude Towton: I’m not hearing a translator either
[11:47]  Master Kane: is that “much” or “Munchies” lol
[11:47]  Trouble Streeter: ahh. please let us know when you know whose
[11:47]  Motor Loon: probably a little of both Mr. Kane
[11:47]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: ㋡
[11:47]  Perdita Muggins: it has been switched off, I think
[11:47]  Trouble Streeter: given that ‘public discussion’ seems a bit hard to come by these days
[11:47]  Master Kane: oh .. then Ill saty right here then.. thanks though
[11:47]  Melody Regent: are YOU wearing it MK?
[11:47]  Master Kane: lol
[11:47]  Trouble Streeter: and I cna’t find anything on the new blogoforumapalooza
[11:47]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: i got munchies for ya
[11:48]  Ciaran Laval: I don’t know Jude, I know there are some script measuring tools but I don’t know if they work on mainland. You can check the stats ar on mainland though, it’s just not that informative about what is causing the problem
[11:48]  Dytska Vieria: Ask in SL Answers!
[11:48]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: ooops adult content
[11:48]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: back off
[11:48]  Master Kane: what mel? I dont use them if thats what you mean
[11:48]  Drongle McMahon: Jack. Please buy a landbot from Yohan and use it to set autoreturn on abandoned plots. This will save Lindens being called out to remove griefing stuff.
[11:48]  Jude Towton: Thanks Ciaran
[11:48]  Master Kane: translators that is
[11:48]  Motor Loon: lol Drongle…
[11:48]  CPU Core: Jack, Why do Homesteads cost 70% more for their share of a server than a mainland?
[11:49]  CPU Core: i mean island
[11:49]  Jack Linden: Drongle. we can already automate cleaning abandoned parcels but there are good reasons why we don’t do it
[11:49]  Jack Linden: Most abandonment is accidental
[11:49]  Chavi Skomoroklov accepted your inventory offer.
[11:49]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: causes lag
[11:49]  Mitch Gaffer is Offline
[11:49]  Jack Linden: It makes no sense to zap all the content/builds until we know whether it was intentions
[11:49]  Jack Linden: *intentional
[11:50]  Dytska Vieria: after a few months go by, it should be obvious
[11:50]  Frankie Antonioni: There is one near my store that has lots of objects that people have left.
[11:50]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: put sim to sleep if not in use
[11:50]  Silken Wilder is Offline
[11:50]  Ardy Lay: Maybe “abandon land” needs to be a 21 step process.
[11:50]  Melody Regent: If you see it, open a ticket, they will get to it faster
[11:50]  Perdita Muggins: months or years, in some cases
[11:50]  Jack Linden: Dytska, it actually isn’t. But it *is* obvious when we look at it. So we currently don’t automate
[11:50]  CPU Core: dont egt answers without a mob anymore
[11:50]  Master Kane: 23 steps ardy… all the alphabet
[11:51]  Talarus Luan: Jack, any update on the microparcel cleanup that you indicated was going to be happening “over the next two weeks” a month ago?
[11:51]  rodrigo Nyn has entered the sim.
[11:51]  Ciaran Laval: Someone suggested that before wildorchid but what would be the overheads in bringing it back up when someone decides to TP there?
[11:51]  Arawn Spitteler: 26 steps could get to be annoying, if someone really does mean to abandon land, but allowances should be made for drunkenness.
[11:51]  Jack Linden: Tal, i don’t have much update there (that i can share). Sorry.
[11:51]  Zoha Boa: Jack, So by the end of june (in good 4 months)..you are going to make an announcement for the price policies of 2011? Then we have 6 months until the end of the year.
[11:52]  Drongle McMahon: Do you have any you can’t share?
[11:52]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: no different then transfering a sim when sold…
[11:52]  Ardy Lay: Master, my alphabet has 26 letters in it.
[11:52]  Trinity Nabob: If someone abandon’s their estate back to LL how come they are not given a refund? After all LL resells that server space.
[11:52]  Jack Linden: Ciaran, that’s the key issue. The user experience of waiting 3 or 4 minutes for the region to come up wouldbe poor
[11:52]  Qie Niangao: Jack: We’re eager for progress there, shareable or not.
[11:52]  Perdita Muggins: ANy progress is good, on that front, for sure
[11:52]  Frankie Antonioni: Why not check, and see when they were online. The person could be gone for months?
[11:52]  Ciaran Laval: Ah wildorchid we’re at crossed purposes, I thought you were talking about sims going idel when nobody is on them
[11:53]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: ㋡
[11:53]  Jack Linden: Zoha, I’m not sure when exactly we will talk again about pricing but we *are* committed to giving residents long term direction so they can plan
[11:53]  Master Kane: but jack.. this is all new equipment and software… why would it take that long?
[11:53]  Talarus Luan: OK, any revised timeframe when you WILL be getting to it?
[11:53]  Master Kane: JK JACK!
[11:53]  Equinox Pinion: but we would love to have a clear date from you jack
[11:53]  Arawn Spitteler: Estates might wind up in Court, since mostly retired people can afford time and money
[11:53]  Ciaran Laval: Agreed Jack, otherwise there would be potential in the concept.
[11:53]  Jack Linden: Frankie, often people share land, use alts, let groups use their land etc.
[11:53]  Equinox Pinion: or we will have to argue again and angain about it
[11:53]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: to see how it works and get the kinks out
[11:53]  Master Kane: that too wild
[11:54]  Melody Regent: can you tell us it it will be BEFORE the end of 2010?
[11:54]  Master Kane: Im game
[11:54]  Jack Linden: We have so many different types of usage that we found automation caused us more work than less
[11:54]  Jack Linden: As undoing the removal of content is tough
[11:54]  Ciaran Laval: Ah you’ve gotta love discovering umpteen different use cases Jack
[11:54]  Frankie Antonioni: On another not, why not allow some free advertising in events?
[11:54]  Driftwood Miles: Jack I know this is off topic and i apologise, but Tom Hale mentioned the possibility of Mesh making an appearance on the grid. It has since SLCC there has been absolutely zeor mention of it including M’s dreams and fantasy’s for the future. Is this a bit of scotch mist or is there substance to it?
[11:54]  Ardy Lay: “Oh, they WANTED it to be ugly.”
[11:54]  Talarus Luan: Policy: If you abandon your parcel, after 30 days, automated cleanup will occur.
[11:55]  Jack Linden: Melody, absolutely.. we will talk again about pricing well in advance of the end of year
[11:55]  Jack Linden: Ciaran, we have nothing but grey areas hehe
[11:55]  Trinity Nabob: [11:54] Jack Linden: Melody, absolutely.. we will talk again about pricing well in advance of the end of year. *saved
[11:55]  Zeebster Colasanti: hahaha!
[11:55]  Motor Loon:
[11:55]  Melody Regent: dont count on in Trin
[11:55]  Jack Linden: Driftwood.. look to the blogs! It’s going to be a great couple of months
[11:55]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: gray areas..hehe unmute..J?K
[11:55]  Trinity Nabob: never do Mel, never do.
[11:55]  Melody Regent: A great man once said, it would be death to forget ones history
[11:56]  Driftwood Miles: WOW
[11:56]  Driftwood Miles: dusts off the maya
[11:56]  Yohan Pintens: great for who?
[11:56]  Equinox Pinion: lol
[11:56]  Trinity Nabob: hehe
[11:56]  Motor Loon: oh no jack… we’re not getting mesh’s are we… dammit…
[11:56]  Qie Niangao: (Driftwood: but don’t expect mesh in Viewer 2.0 right away: Q says it won’t be there.)
[11:56]  Talarus Luan: Yes, it is great when you have the microparcel parasites still harassing neighbors.
[11:56]  Jack Linden: Lots of good stuff coming through the year Driftwood, a lot of projects that started last year will start to land in this one
[11:56]  Jude Towton: Jack, just one last thing…do you know if ONE person looks around, actively searching for those not in complaince, or do they rely totally on AR’s?
[11:57]  Greywolf Moonlight is Online
[11:57]  Driftwood Miles: I am just over the moon that it has more substance than I thought….I was beginning to think tht it was a pipe dream!
[11:57]  Talarus Luan: They rely on ARs pulled from a very small hat
[11:57]  Jack Linden: Jude, it’s a combination. ARs are definitely the key source though
[11:57]  Master Kane: So basically.. we know NOT to ask for dates or a general time line… we have learned this LAST MONTH
[11:57]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: omg..i am not peaking in windows
[11:58]  CPU Core: What linden actually flys around finding rule breaksd without ARs?
[11:58]  Jack Linden: Driftwood, not a pipe dream. We’ve had internal demos for some time and they look pretty amazing
[11:58]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: like me
[11:58]  Melody Regent: Speaking of SLCC… any word?
[11:58]  Talarus Luan: That just makes it all the more scary
[11:58]  ATechwolf Foxclaw has left the sim.
[11:58]  Trinity Nabob: now if we could just make more things “external” we might then be our own judges of progress.
[11:58]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: i look amazing
[11:58]  Driftwood Miles: I can imagine…and I think (I’m not uber technical) it will be a massive boost for SL
[11:58]  ATechwolf Foxclaw has entered the sim.
[11:59]  Jack Linden: Melody, not sure what you mean by slcc?
[11:59]  Master Kane: lol wild
[11:59]  Ciaran Laval: The convention thingy Jack
[11:59]  Trinity Nabob: lol wha?
[11:59]  Equinox Pinion: pretty amazing for lindens…you sure it will be pretty amazing for us too as you are so way out of touch with us???
[11:59]  Driftwood Miles: Isn’t that resident organised?
[11:59]  Trinity Nabob: Second Life Community Convention = SLCC
[11:59]  Ciaran Laval: Yes drift
[11:59]  Jack Linden: yes, i mean i know what SLCC is but it’s a community organised event, not Linden Lab
[11:59]  Jack Linden: Though we have sponsored it int he past
[12:00]  Melody Regent: I know that, but you sponsor thus the reason for the Q
[12:00]  Trinity Nabob: oh notices the distancing…interesting.
[12:00]  Jack Linden: I think there was an slcc website but I haven’t heard any discussion on when the next one may be
[12:00]  Melody Regent: Oh look, hours are over
[12:00]  Melody Regent: :/
[12:00]  Jack Linden: No distancing trinity! We love the event, and many Lindens have attended
[12:00]  Jack Linden: it just isn’t one that we ourselves run
[12:01]  Driftwood Miles: We need a European version
[12:01]  Arawn Spitteler: Something really differnt, is I’ve found a SNS which allows advertising within ten miles of my location.
[12:01]  Driftwood Miles: Bournemouth would be good
[12:01]  Talarus Luan: Need to have it somewhere else than 2000-3000 miles away
[12:01]  Jack Linden: Driftwood, agreed that would be great. I would love to attend something like that
[12:01]  Ciaran Laval: Ham Rambler tried to organise one in Amsterdam last year, not sure how it went
[12:01]  Trinity Nabob: good I have a “how build your first sl penis” tutorial to finish.
[12:01]  Jack Linden: Okay folks, I have to run. Thank you all for coming along
[12:01]  Qie Niangao: thanks Jack.
[12:01]  Ciaran Laval: Cheers Jack
[12:01]  Driftwood Miles: thanks Jack
[12:01]  Jude Towton has left the sim.
[12:02]  Trouble Streeter: thx jack
[12:02]  Zoha Boa: take care
[12:02]  Equinox Pinion: take care jack
[12:02]  Arawn Spitteler should learn the more sophisticated attachment construction
[12:02]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: Yesah and i got a window seat
[12:02]  MissMissy Moonbeam: ty, Jack, tc
[12:02]  Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Linden%20Estate%20Services/156/114/38
[12:03]  Jack Linden is Offline

Not only did Jack not bother showing up for this meeting, he didn’t even find it worth to leave a CANCELED sign

This weeks meeting was canceled

This weeks meeting was canceled

[11:00]  Talarus Luan: Now, for the L$64,000 question.. will Jack be here?
[11:00]  Jack Linden has entered the sim.
[11:00]  Melody Regent: He is on his way
[11:01]  Talarus Luan: Cool
[11:01]  Toy LaFollette: he’s on now
[11:01]  Qie Niangao: He’s in the sim
[11:01]  Melody Regent: [11:00] Jack Linden has entered the sim.
[11:01]  Qie Niangao: greetings, Jack
[11:01]  Jack Linden: hey everyone
[11:01]  Equinox Pinion: hi jack
[11:01]  Master Kane: hey.. what do you know.. on time there jack lol
[11:01]  Zoha Boa: hi jack
[11:01]  Toy LaFollette: Hiyas Jack ㋡
[11:01]  Driftwood Miles: Hello Jack
[11:01]  Frankie Antonioni: Hey Jack.
[11:01]  Trouble Streeter: heya Jack!
[11:01]  Arawn Spitteler recals a poem
Jack be nimble,
Jack be quick,
Jack jumped over to Office Hour
[11:01]  Talarus Luan: He’s abn impostor! What did they do with the old lady we’ve come to know and love?!?! *sighs*
[11:01]  Melody Regent: Morning Jack
[11:01]  Cytherea Eagle: Greetings Jack.
[11:02]  Jack Linden: How is everyone this week? Looking forward to pay day?
[11:02]  Driftwood Miles: theres a pay day?
[11:02]  Master Kane: oh we get 2 in january?
[11:02]  Ciaran Laval: it’s still over a week away, it’s getting painful!
[11:02]  Toy LaFollette gets paid monthly grrrrr
[11:02]  Melody Regent: I am looking forward to that announcemenet you have been teasing us about for weeks on end
[11:02]  Zoha Boa: pay day ?? didn’t knew LL did do that ?
[11:03]  Master Kane: where is our xmas bonuses too lol
[11:03]  Jack Linden: I know Ciaran!
[11:03]  Mendelssohn Andel has entered the sim.
[11:03]  Jack Linden: Melody, me too! We’re on it, we still plan to post!
[11:03]  Zoha Boa: if you need help to write your text for the blog… I will write it for free !!
[11:04]  stormi Capalini has entered the sim.
[11:04]  Equinox Pinion: and when do you plan to do that
[11:04]  Arawn Spitteler figures Linden Labs could simply pay its employees L$250,000/wk stipends, or let them sublet Islands
[11:04]  Equinox Pinion: as we all know you are not good related to deadlines
[11:04]  Athena Madrigal has entered the sim.
[11:04]  Jack Linden: Hehe Zoha
[11:04]  Jack Linden: Equinox, we said before end of Jan, so that’s the aim.
[11:04]  Melody Regent: They said before the end of the month, so I guess they have till midnight Jan 31
[11:05]  Jack Linden: We’re just talking and planning internally at the moment with that goal in mind
[11:05]  Master Kane: Jack, do we get a “reach around” with all these teases?
[11:05]  Arawn Spitteler: Deadline Dilation?
[11:05]  Master Kane:
[11:05]  Frasky Fizzle has entered the sim.
[11:05]  Talarus Luan: Deadline Inflation
[11:05]  Zoha Boa: kacj, you know also that we aren’t buying HS sims anymore until you make that blog post ? Our HS sims are 98% full
[11:05]  Jack Linden: a ‘reach around’ Master?
[11:05]  Master Kane: nvm jack was “teasing”
[11:06]  Driftwood Miles: you don’t want to know Jack
[11:06]  Master Kane:
[11:06]  Jack Linden: 98%, that’s pretty good
[11:06]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: /my tries not to look too puzzled.
[11:06]  Talarus Luan: That’s a dangerous question around here. <.<
[11:06]  14 Xu: I understood Master, lmao
[11:06]  Jack Linden: So, I have a few things to update you on
[11:06]  Toy LaFollette wonders if SL regfions qualify for TARP
[11:06]  Melody Regent: lets get started Jack, we only have an hour
[11:06]  Melody Regent:
[11:06]  Talarus Luan: Some regions qualify for being COVERED by tarp. <.<
[11:06]  Master Kane wiggels into seat ready for the info
[11:07]  Master Kane: lol tal
[11:07]  Jack Linden: First of all, the estate ban bug that lets people get around the bans – the fix is looking like going out in 1.36.1, in March.
[11:07]  Charlene Trudeau: yay
[11:07]  Equinox Pinion: finally!
[11:07]  Master Kane: WOohoo! botu time
[11:07]  Talarus Luan: Finally found it?
[11:07]  Trouble Streeter does happy dance of joy, then looks around sheepishly
[11:07]  Sonya Haight: somebody pick Mel up
[11:07]  Melody Regent: About damn time, thank the heavens
[11:07]  Alexxa Despres: Yay….. taht is GREAT news!!
[11:07]  Driftwood Miles: HOOOOOOO AHHHHHHH
[11:07]  Jack Linden: The pJira repros were really useful, so thanks to folks that did that
[11:08]  LSL Scientist: will this fix also prevent banned people from rezzing grief to the parcels?
[11:08]  Zoha Boa: why does it still takE 2 months to fix it then ?
[11:08]  Melody Regent: Why so late? cant you fix it sooner?
[11:08]  Jack Linden: Zoha, it’s down to the release and qa cycles, obviously the coding is just one part of the time it takes
[11:08]  Jack Linden: It has to go through testing etc
[11:08]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot knows enough about software development to understand, while sharing the regret
[11:08]  Jack Linden: But it does look to be a complete fix, so we’ll see how it goes vs the repros in testing
[11:09]  Qie Niangao: speaking of 1.36… but wait, there’s more!
[11:09]  Jack Linden: Next up..
[11:09]  Talarus Luan: Yeah, no sense kicking out a fix that doesn’t work, or introduces more problems.
[11:09]  Alexxa Despres: Just happy to see a light at the end of the tunnel..that’s cool Jack
[11:09]  Trouble Streeter: exactly, Talarus!
[11:09]  Driftwood Miles: hteres a tunnel?
[11:09]  Jack Linden: You guys have, i know, been asking about us pushing on further with ending some of the land cutting and bad parcelling that is still going on..
[11:10]  Arawn Spitteler: Well, as long as it doesn’t effect Linden Security Issues, its not that urgent
[11:10]  Driftwood Miles: I miss all the good stuff
[11:10]  Alexxa Despres: Drift
[11:10]  Talarus Luan: We have?
[11:10]  Melody Regent: they have
[11:10]  Jack Linden: It does look as if we’re still having some bad practice from certain land dealers so we’re going to step that up over the next couple of weeks
[11:11]  Master Kane: damn good
[11:11]  Ciaran Laval: you can tell when he’s got something good to say, he teases it out with …
[11:11]  Master Kane: oops (pg)
[11:11]  Master Kane: lol
[11:11]  Jack Linden: As you know, I can’t talk about specific people, but we’re very committed to getting it fixed
[11:11]  Frankie Antonioni: Why not fix it so that you can’t sell land that is below 512 sq meters?
[11:11]  Cytherea Eagle: I have handed over 40k so far Jack
[11:11]  Talarus Luan: Does that mean you will open negotiations with them?
[11:11]  Jack Linden: So more resource there which is good
[11:11]  Drongle McMahon:
[11:11]  Jack Linden: Tal, honestly.. i think in some cases we’re probably past the negotiation point. But the team will take the appropriate action
[11:12]  Talarus Luan: Really? Awesome.
[11:12]  Qie Niangao: taking action is good. very, very good.
[11:12]  Jack Linden: Next up.. Mainland prices.. you guys are probably aware that they are pretty low at the moment
[11:12]  Yohan Pintens: just push the damn button and fix it.
[11:12]  Melody Regent: yes
[11:12]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: I expect loud creaming in the forums.
[11:12]  Talarus Luan agrees with Yohan. *nodnods*
[11:13]  Charlene Trudeau: so low, Jack, that a friend bought a full region mainland instead of going estate
[11:13]  Jack Linden: I think we’re seeing averages for completed sales of below L$4 per meter most weeks now.
[11:13]  Arawn Spitteler: Why would anyone want a premium account, but to sublet, which can only be done on an Estate
[11:13]  Cytherea Eagle: yes, i wa shocked upon my retur to se so lo
[11:13]  Timo Daehlie: inclusive Zindra Jack ?
[11:13]  Greywolf Moonlight: just keep in mind that there are some Mall owners who parcel off 16 sqm parcels to allow there Mall tenants to place their stalls in search
[11:13]  Jack Linden: So that means we’re still holding on any new supply of Mainland, however we will at times be recycling abandoned or reclaimed parcels when the neighbours have a claim and approach us about them
[11:14]  Ciaran Laval: Greywolf 16m parcels don’t show in search
[11:14]  Talarus Luan: Greywolf, those situations aren’t at risk.
[11:14]  Jack Linden: Time, Zindra has been a little higher I believe, which you’d expect with it being a smaller more limited continent
[11:14]  Melody Regent: you wont add more regions? does that include the Linden home regions Jack?
[11:14]  Jack Linden: *Timo
[11:14]  Yohan Pintens: You’re two continents too late to limit the supply in hopes of recovery Jack. Nice try though.
[11:14]  Charlene Trudeau: you pretty much have to have a min 256m2 now don’t you to show in search?
[11:14]  Kianta Design – Pregnant Tummy V.5.2.1 ADVANCED: Mystical is craving some wacky food combos these days.
[11:15]  Ciaran Laval: 128 I think, I don’t think the UI even allows you to tick the box anymore if you have a parcel smaller than 128
[11:15]  Timo Daehlie: the average of Zindra are indeed higher .. normal mainland is hard to sell .. even at 1.8 L$ m2
[11:15]  Qie Niangao: Charlene, it’s a weird number… like 144, I think. was supposed to be 128 but didn’t quite work.
[11:15]  Frankie Antonioni: I think I saw some 16 sq meters in search.
[11:15]  Zoha Boa: >128; starting from 144 (for search)
[11:15]  Jack Linden: Melody, we’re in Beta for Linden Homes, and listening to the feedback we get from the folks in that Beta test. Next of course we have to look at when we launch it for all Premiums
[11:15]  Cytherea Eagle: somehow Timo is seeing my @s
[11:15]  Cytherea Eagle: oops 32s
[11:15]  Melody Regent: but jack, adding mainland is adding mainland, including beta
[11:15]  Charlene Trudeau: Frankie, those might be remnant from before you couldn’t check the box any more.
[11:15]  Timo Daehlie: still need to pick them p cytherea
[11:15]  Jonit Ivory: umm, Linden Home regions seem awfully empty most of the time, I hardly get any visitors
[11:15]  Jack Linden: So we still intend to move forward (Linden Homes is not really the same as Mainland, as it can’t be traded)
[11:16]  Dennis Lagan: the beta homes are meant for newbies, i dont get what the value is of having feedback from a few experienced users
[11:16]  Charlene Trudeau: any chance of silent pregnancy for the meeting?
[11:16]  Melody Regent: I muted it
[11:16]  Master Kane: agreed char
[11:16]  Charlene Trudeau: thanks
[11:16]  Greywolf Moonlight: ty, Char
[11:16]  Cytherea Eagle: so I assume small cts stil showin search yes?
[11:16]  Timo Daehlie: yeps
[11:16]  Jack Linden: Dennis, we want to get a feel for how the web choices worked for them, whether the builds were right and so on. It’ll still be really valuable insight
[11:17]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: What struck me about the Linden Homes beta is that it didn’t look to be encouraging any sort of community. TP in and tp out for your fun.
[11:17]  Jack Linden: WolfBaginski (man that name rocks), I totally agree – we need to put some energy into building community and we have a lot of ideas there to help
[11:17]  Jonit Ivory: my point is that it seems the beta was nto well received
[11:17]  Jonit Ivory: not*
[11:18]  Arawn Spitteler: As neighborly as a high rise apartment?
[11:18]  Jack Linden: Jonit, that’s interesting feedback – the messages and emails we have had, have been almost entirely positive so hopefully you’ll fill in the survey we send out and give us your perspective
[11:19]  Jonit Ivory: WolfBaginski, yes, it’s just a place to open boxes
[11:19]  Jonit Ivory: not a community
[11:19]  Jack Linden: So, those were my updates.. what questions do you guys have this week?
[11:19]  Jonit Ivory: fpr sure I will
[11:19]  Timo Daehlie: What about the campaign Jack .. is it still secret ?
[11:20]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: I don’t know what you call them in America: Little boxes, made of Linden prims… That sort of no-community feel.
[11:20]  Jack Linden: Campaign Timo?
[11:20]  Arawn Spitteler wants his prims made of Ticky Tacky, whatever that is.
[11:21]  Timo Daehlie: i asked you last year a couple of times. A campaign to attract new members, You said you guys were working on soemthingsecretly
[11:21]  MY Nimbus is Offline
[11:21]  Cytherea Eagle: Any plans to market SL a little harder to bring in new residents? Any plans other than not bringing more land online to help with land prices?
[11:21]  LSL Scientist: what is the current status of residents who are late with their payments loosing their inventory forever? one friend of mine(creative) lost his RL job and been missing for months, prolly late with payments too
[11:21]  Ciaran Laval: They’ve been advertising, people have seen adverts on Youtube and elsewhere, a recent one seems to bear a resemblance to a recent film
[11:21]  Talarus Luan: They stopped purging delinquent accounts
[11:21]  Sarah Nerd: Yea I saw the Avatar movie rip of ads
[11:22]  Sarah Nerd: off*
[11:22]  Jack Linden: Ahh hehe, not exactly secret but yes, there is a lot of energy at the Lab going into new residents, how we introduce them to Second Life, give them cool things to do and most of all, make it all easier.
[11:22]  Yohan Pintens: Cytherea: they would if they could
[11:22]  Cytherea Eagle: and land movement
[11:22]  Vernes Veranes: I agree with Cytherea.
[11:22]  Frankie Antonioni: Instead of selling open space sims, why not set thm a side, annd use them for races, and combat?
[11:22]  Jack Linden: The new Viewer for example, which most of you wil lbe aware of, is a large part of that
[11:22]  Dennis Lagan: if you see the numbers i fear the energy goes the wrong way
[11:22]  Jack Linden: Yeah, LSL, we no longer purge in the same way that we used to
[11:22]  Dytska Vieria: Is the new viewer going to go into First Look?
[11:23]  Master Kane: Jack, how is DB 5.0 going, other than the blog post
[11:23]  LSL Scientist: awesome, thanks <3
[11:23]  Greywolf Moonlight: will the new viewer be as good as Emerald?
[11:23]  Jack Linden: Dytska, i’m not sure if it will, it may go straight to RC.
[11:24]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: Maybe a pointer, I happened to look up “Concierg” on the Wiki. Not something to attract new customers, but there’s a vagueness about what it is: what you get for the money. Not a good thing, I suggest.
[11:24]  Driftwood Miles: will the viewer be launched in Q1 Jack?
[11:24]  Talarus Luan: “first look” was really just a pre-alpha phase. I think it has been more or less a “first look” for some time.
[11:24]  Melody Regent: Jack, when are you going to make premium accounts more attractive?
[11:24]  Jack Linden: Hehe Greywolf, it will be excellent! It has some very cool features, I think people will enjoy it a lot
[11:24]  Cytherea Eagle: I was thinking maybe an application for driod or smart phones that allow you to view and set for sale/ change price of land without having to log into the grud.
[11:25]  Cytherea Eagle: grid*
[11:25]  Sarah Nerd: Landmachine does that
[11:25]  Marianne McCann waits for the world and its people to rez
[11:25]  Jack Linden: Melody, I think we spoke about that last week – we’re going to continue to plan and add perks specific to Premium members. The Linden Home is just the first one.
[11:26]  Jack Linden: We know we have to keep pushing that value up
[11:26]  Master Kane: Jack, DB 5.0?
[11:26]  Toy LaFollette wavies at Mari
[11:26]  Timo Daehlie: double the free tier !
[11:26]  Greywolf Moonlight: It just amazes me that the features that Emerald has could have been implemented into the regular viewer long ago and hasnt.
[11:26]  Cytherea Eagle: ty Sarah, any app in store to ajoin their current services?
[11:26]  Marianne McCann waves at Toy
[11:26]  Jack Linden: Master, I don’t have any more info on that I’m afraid
[11:26]  Marianne McCann: Indeed, Timo!
[11:26]  Marianne McCann grins
[11:26]  Timo Daehlie: lets vote
[11:26]  Master Kane: ok jack, thanks
[11:26]  Jack Linden: Hehe Timo, we get asked for that quite often.
[11:26]  Qie Niangao: I agree, too, Timo. would help sop up some of that excess mainland sloshing around the grid
[11:26]  Melody Regent: Will some more of those perks be announced this month? How long are we still waiting for those? Linden homes is nice enough, but not a huge perk
[11:27]  Timo Daehlie: dont wait longer then Jack
[11:27]  Sonya Haight: hi Alliez
[11:27]  Timo Daehlie: abandoned land is better off in new premiums hands
[11:27]  Vernes Veranes: The streaming content aspect of SL keeps putting (new) people off. Some sims consist of 90% of static content. Why not do something with that?
[11:27]  Alliez Mysterio: Soyna HI Nice to see you
[11:27]  Charlene Trudeau: top suggestions: let them use their credits on estate too, give premium folks more groups (please, beg, please)
[11:27]  Jack Linden: Qie, do you sense there is more spare land now than, say, a year ago? The numbers have it as being very consistent but people often tell me that they think there is more now
[11:28]  Alliez Mysterio: yes there is
[11:28]  Marianne McCann: I don;t know abotu Qie, but I would definitely say there’s more out there
[11:28]  Jett Skytower is Offline
[11:28]  Talarus Luan: I hope the new viewer cache works better than the old viewer cache; would solve a lot of that, Vernes.
[11:28]  Qie Niangao: seems more, and… supply must be high compared to demand, with prices this low. Ain’t that how it works?
[11:28]  Jack Linden: We watch the stats around abandoned and ‘no owner’ land closely., it’s not changed much at all
[11:28]  Frasky Fizzle: i have abandoned land all around my mainland, was one plot, late 2009 was up to 5 abandoned plots
[11:28]  Jack Linden: So some of it must be down to perception
[11:28]  Greywolf Moonlight: more groups (50) would be a HUGE plus to entice more people to premium
[11:29]  Marianne McCann: Moles are building on parcels that could not even be sold an auction, huge swatches of yellow for better than average prives even in the old SF and color sims, etc
[11:29]  Master Kane: I agree with more gorups, some use SOB and those things are scripted like a bad dog and takes a major hit.. openign up more group slots might stop some of that lag that those thigns cause
[11:29]  Melody Regent: if you have 50 open on five sim a year ago and 50 open in 10 sim this year… that is ineeded more land. same %% but more land. Stop adding regions
[11:29]  Yohan Pintens: Jack: that or you’re stats are really really broken. The % of occupied land is significantly higher now than it was a year ago
[11:29]  Jack Linden: Qie, I think that is true yes.. well, a combination or supply and lack of demand of course. I also think the estates have been offering more additional value over time
[11:29]  Jack Linden: Which will be attractive to some folks
[11:29]  Alliez Mysterio: Well, I was given a sim today if I will pay trans fee or they were going to give it back to LL
[11:29]  Arawn Spitteler expects the new viewer won’t work at all, for those o us without Graphics Cards: LSL, could you make a comment on WEB-1406?
[11:30]  Ciaran Laval: ???
[11:30]  Melody Regent: I get those too Alliez, I have actually turned some down.
[11:30]  Master Kane: SOB = SOM . sorry about that
[11:30]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: Greywolf, more groups sort of needs better control of notice and group IM in the viewer. Not so relevant for this meeting, but stuff ripples across the whole system
[11:30]  Zoha Boa: i even got a GF FP sim for 100us$ last week
[11:30]  Master Kane: incoming
[11:30]  Hailie Callisto: I also bought a sim very very very cheap and probbaly could have gotten it for free but I just couldnt take it for nothing. The guy wanted to return it to LL.
[11:30]  Jack Linden: Arawn, will take a look at that pJira
[11:30]  Cytherea Eagle: I am actually on a netbook right now
[11:30]  Melody Regent: I would be happy if we had more ROLES in the groups
[11:30]  Arawn Spitteler: Estates spare the Lab from having to deal with end user, yet cost more than Mainland Sims
[11:31]  Jack Linden: No worries Master, I got what you meant
[11:31]  Melody Regent: I often have to make ANOTHER group becuase I run out of roles
[11:31]  Master Kane: ah ok phewy
[11:31]  Marianne McCann: Melody – yes. The whole groups system needs help
[11:31]  Trouble Streeter: that would be useful, Mel.
[11:31]  Trouble Streeter: and not just cause every time you make a group… ::grin::
[11:31]  Master Kane: didnt want to call YOU a SOB… thought Id change that LOL
[11:31]  Dennis Lagan: jack, how are the bots going? i still see massive amounts of bots everywhere.
[11:31]  Arawn Spitteler: I’d like Scripts to be role sensitive, but don’t recall PJiraing that.
[11:31]  Hailie Callisto: yes, bots and traffic gaming is still rampant
[11:32]  Jack Linden: It’s true that we’re seeing quite a bit of transfer activity as people manage their estates. We broke the 10,000 homestead point very recently too
[11:32]  Master Kane: yeah.. and when they get rid of the bots , they start using xploders
[11:32]  Marianne McCann: Hailie – true. I still see that often
[11:32]  Driftwood Miles: Anshe has been working hard
[11:32]  Alliez Mysterio: About Homesteads…..whats going to happen with the tier ?
[11:32]  Hailie Callisto: How is LL controlling the traffic gaming now? Bots are still very high in numbers and being counted towards traffic
[11:32]  Charlene Trudeau: Alliez, they haven’t released any news on that
[11:32]  Alliez Mysterio: ok
[11:33]  Jack Linden: Dennis, that’s a good question, we’ve been looking again at that. We’ll be removing bot traffic from search soon (expect a blog post shortly), but it looks as if we’re going to again have to start to take firm action with some venues [11:33]  Alliez Mysterio: Thought I might have missed it
[11:33]  Master Kane: hallie. now now.. those are “Scripted Agents” (cough BS cough)
[11:33]  Melody Regent: they will release the news on that by midnight Jan 31st
[11:33]  Frankie Antonioni: Why not allow camping. But limit the number of slots for each parcel, and have only one avatar from each computer count as traffic?
[11:33]  Master Kane: legalized gaming
[11:33]  Dytska Vieria: Jack, one perk I would like to see is that if a person has 1 or more Mainland sims that they could have a Homestead without having to buy an island.
[11:33]  Dennis Lagan: ok
[11:33]  Cytherea Eagle: traffic bots marketed as “models” lol hat a loophole that is…any plans to crack down?
[11:33]  Jack Linden: Alliez, we’re aiming to blog to the community on our plans for CY10 and pricing before the end of the month. It’s something we feel is important
[11:34]  Jack Linden: So you should know very soon
[11:34]  Arawn Spitteler: Any sort of benefit is going t be gamed; its part of th game
[11:34]  Alliez Mysterio: Great tyvm
[11:34]  Charlene Trudeau: if they are really in the shop showing the product, they shouldn’t count in traffic numbers but be allowed
[11:34]  Hailie Callisto: lol rigth master, I forgot o.o
[11:34]  Frankie Antonioni: If you have 5 avatars on your computer, only 1 would count as traffic.
[11:34]  Master Kane: oh you mean they TALK/TYPE??? where he HELL have you been to.. I wanna go
[11:34]  Jack Linden: Frankie, camping also causes problems andof course still inflates the search rankings unfairly
[11:34]  Master Kane: hallie
[11:34]  Jonit Ivory: Jack, I have emailed you my thoughts on the beta
[11:35]  Talarus Luan: There is a flag in your web account profile that allows you to specify an account that runs as a “scripted agent”
[11:35]  Jack Linden: Increasingly, gaming of search will be taken very seriously
[11:35]  Jack Linden: Jonit, thanks! Really appreciate it
[11:35]  Greywolf Moonlight: I think SL is more of a buisiness tool now, not really considered a “game” anymore…
[11:35]  Yohan Pintens: eventually you mean
[11:35]  Ciaran Laval: I’m still not sure how camping on a parcel that advertises camping unfairly raises traffic as people go there to camp, or they used to
[11:35]  Zoha Boa: jack..if it is taken very seriously..WHY are there still people gaming trafic…after 8 MONTHS !!
[11:35]  Master Kane: all Ive seen is cloud model bots… whats is the use for those when they are supposed to be wearing the product and you cannot SEE the product cause they are a cloud?!
[11:36]  Jack Linden: Charlene, it’s such a fine line though, between ‘useful’ and ‘gaming’, and that sort of subjectivity is very difficult. If they genuinely are not for gaming then they will identify them as Bots
[11:36]  Master Kane: Stupid is what stupid does I suppose
[11:36]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: When I’m hanging arounf NCI places, a lot of newcomers seem to ask about how they can get Linden Dollars. A lot of this traffic abuse must be feeding off that sort of search for money.
[11:36]  Talarus Luan: Microparcel/adfarm barons have been “taken seriously” for almost two years. <.<
[11:36]  Melody Regent: I think that if you make a rule about something, you need to be ready to take firm action to support that rule, immediatly, not a year later
[11:36]  Frankie Antonioni: Some people spend thousands on the classifieds, and that also influnecs search.
[11:36]  Cytherea Eagle: o check out the la in the sim San from bots
[11:36]  Hailie Callisto: I agree mel
[11:37]  Talarus Luan: 8 months is just a drop in the bucket.
[11:37]  Cytherea Eagle: I sorry..
[11:37]  Cytherea Eagle: cant type today, I’m Sorry!
[11:37]  Yohan Pintens: Melody: you must be new if you believe thats how LL has ever worked. (I know you’re not new)
[11:37]  Ciaran Laval: Well to be fair to the sim in San, they’re selling bots, advertising their usage and demonstrating that is a perfectly fair marketing tactic.
[11:37]  Master Kane: NCI has a money ball too.. if all the members would pay in to that.. then there wouldnt be a problem
[11:38]  Toy LaFollette: had a money ball in NCI
[11:38]  Jack Linden: Zoha, we have thousands of locations and so of course, you will still see the misuse of bots and search gaming, but as we step up the enforcement around that the risks of being deemed to be gaming, and therefore suspended or removed from search will get ever more real
[11:38]  Talarus Luan: demonstrating what is a perfectly fair marketing tactic?
[11:38]  Master Kane: oh they took it away?
[11:38]  Melody Regent: I know that is not how LL works, never has been. But it wont stop me from saying it. If you say you are going to Do something, then by &*( gods, DO something.
[11:38]  Cytherea Eagle: to be fair, i was once bashed for my use of script tha laed sims although I did nt meanto
[11:38]  Ciaran Laval: demonstrating how the bots work Tal, how they can move, talk etc.
[11:38]  Toy LaFollette: yup, it was being gamed
[11:38]  Master Kane: ah
[11:38]  Talarus Luan: Oh.
[11:38]  Master Kane: I scratch my comment then
[11:38]  Cytherea Eagle: and hence rules were passed
[11:38]  Jonit Ivory: I saw a store today, 6 bots all in a row, umm showing off different outfits
[11:38]  Hailie Callisto: so should we ar the people using bots?
[11:38]  Jonit Ivory: 6?
[11:39]  Cytherea Eagle: one bot per location is enouh to demostrate
[11:39]  Driftwood Miles: Even Google is gamed
[11:39]  Master Kane: Fetish Shoe is one Hallie
[11:39]  Vernes Veranes: Model-bots and scripted agnets should simply not count in traffic.
[11:39]  Charlene Trudeau: agreed, Vernes
[11:39]  Ciaran Laval: scripted agents won’t count, that’s the point
[11:39]  Cytherea Eagle: 6 is too many
[11:39]  Jonit Ivory: true enough they had different outfits, I suppose that was a validation in the eyes of teh store owner
[11:39]  Master Kane: in a invisa prim box about 400 meters up that HAS been reported several times
[11:39]  Talarus Luan: Yeah, but google has thousands of employees and spends hundreds of millions of dollars a year to mitigate “gaming”
[11:39]  Yohan Pintens: no way if they limit bots then LL User hour counts they tout will drop too much and their entire marketing plan will be in the crapper.
[11:39]  Vernes Veranes: Luring in silly players is something else completly.
[11:39]  Cytherea Eagle: the la is the issue in my eyes
[11:39]  Jack Linden: Jonit, of course you don’t know in that situation whether they have identified them to us as Bots
[11:40]  Jack Linden: If they have, then there is no problem
[11:40]  Yohan Pintens: should be a 100 bot per avatar minimum requirement
[11:40]  Jonit Ivory: but Jack, does the new identibot scheme yet figure in traffic?
[11:40]  Cytherea Eagle: I think san had the potential for 4000+ and was running at 536
[11:40]  Jack Linden: Jonit, I don’t believe so, at least not all of it.
[11:41]  Master Kane: Jack.. there needs to be a IP ban on people that are caught more than once for using bots and capped on making NEW accounts for bots.. that will stop it
[11:41]  Jonit Ivory: regardless of that, it causes unnecessary lag for real people
[11:41]  Vernes Veranes: Isn’t the faulty ‘ appearance’ system caused by console-clients detectable?
[11:41]  Jonit Ivory: well in that case, it is blatant gaming
[11:41]  Jonit Ivory: and very annoying
[11:41]  Jack Linden: Master, IP is a very crude device, and doesn’t tend to be that effective
[11:41]  Cytherea Eagle: bots do have their purpose but if it affect the sl quality of life…hmmmm
[11:41]  Arawn Spitteler: IP is gamed routinely
[11:41]  Jack Linden: We also have a lot of people that share an IP or have dynamic IPs
[11:42]  Master Kane: thats the reason and it is effective … sooner or later they will get the point
[11:42]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: Master Kane, the way my ISP works, I could end up with a banned IP address the next time I power-cycle my ADSL modem.
[11:42]  Arawn Spitteler: Minds me of the way I crashed Crash Me
[11:42]  Master Kane: ok then.. MAC ban
[11:42]  Master Kane: there is MORE than one way to do it
[11:42]  Talarus Luan: >.<
[11:42]  Vernes Veranes: Master: too easy to avoid
[11:42]  Cytherea Eagle: also, bots dont pay tier and it scews numers
[11:42]  Master Kane: true… Vern
[11:43]  Frankie Antonioni: For the next viewer, why not have a code that counts only one avatar as traffic, and any addital avtars not count as traffic. And let those tht own, or rent land know who is a bot/alt, and who is not?
[11:43]  Arawn Spitteler: Viewer Code is there to be gamed
[11:43]  Jack Linden: ..and Viewer code is opensourced too
[11:43]  Toy LaFollette wonders if ummm only premium accts should count towards traffic? (DUCKS) :
[11:43]  Jack Linden: Haha Toy, boldly said!
[11:43]  Ardy Lay: When I use Search – Places to find something new I look for places with little or no reported traffic.
[11:44]  Melody Regent: Personally when I go to a store with ‘model bots’ they dont rez for me, always glowy balls anyway. Also, if there is more than one, I simply leave. THere are enough great designers out there that I dont need to shop at a palce that uses bots
[11:44]  Jack Linden: That has often been suggested
[11:44]  Master Kane: thats actually a good idea Toy!
[11:44]  Hailie Callisto: I think thats a good idea actually Toy
[11:44]  Vernes Veranes: What will that say to non-premiums?
[11:44]  Ciaran Laval: I don’t think that’s helpful at all considering the vast majority of sims are private estate where even the owner doesn’t need to be premium
[11:44]  Talarus Luan: Go Premium?
[11:44]  Sarah Nerd: I like the model bots personally. Easier to view seams and whatnot
[11:44]  Master Kane: yeah , when they arent clouds sarah
[11:44]  Master Kane:
[11:44]  Jonit Ivory: the solution! only premiums count for traffic, in their Linden homes
[11:44]  Jack Linden: It’s also beeen suggested that, for example, a Premium awards 5x as much Traffic as a basic, and that a Concierge account gives even more
[11:44]  Vernes Veranes: Ok, let me reitterate, what will that say to the non-premoiums who also contribute to the SL experience?
[11:45]  Charlene Trudeau: lol. jonit
[11:45]  Kobi Beaumont is Offline
[11:45]  Melody Regent: Jack, I would like to be able to control Esate tools offline. Add/remove, back, upload terrains, save terrains… retsrt sims… all that via the website. What are the chances of making that sorta thing more friendly for us?
[11:45]  Cytherea Eagle: I do not think bots are the issue, they have a use but over use can be a pain in the rump for surroundin residence
[11:45]  Bronson Blackadder: renderunloadedavatars
[11:45]  Talarus Luan: Ooo.. Concierge gives more!
[11:45]  Bronson Blackadder: in debug
[11:45]  Relic Starbrook is Offline
[11:45]  Charlene Trudeau: concierge should give more groups ;P we NEED them lol
[11:45]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: Maybe the value of an AV to traffic counts could be fractional. Premimu account count as 1. Non-premium as 0.5, or something more complicated, so that it’s worth attracting newcomers.
[11:45]  Equinox Pinion: you can ddo that with a bot mel
[11:45]  Marianne McCann: Melody – not to mention being able to have 8consistent* terrain textures.
[11:45]  Melody Regent: I dont want a bot, I want the controls to come from LL.
[11:46]  Melody Regent: No need for a bot
[11:46]  Frankie Antonioni: The only ones that should have bots is LL.
[11:46]  Arawn Spitteler: More Groups for Premium Members?
[11:46]  Equinox Pinion: than wait a few years
[11:46]  Hailie Callisto: I dont think giving more to cig level residents is a good idea. I own several sims but many businesses do not own a si m but are very sucessful….thats like rewarding the rich or the smarter. Its not fair
[11:46]  Vernes Veranes: Franky: I strongly disagree
[11:46]  Jack Linden: Melody, we would love to build some tools that can allow remote management of land. We’re much closer to that technically due to some of the work on Linden Homes actually
[11:46]  Yohan Pintens: use a bot in one hand, wait for LL to implement something in the other, see which one gets full faster.
[11:46]  Ciaran Laval: Bots are often used because the tools aren’t availabl;e via LSL, group inviters are one example.
[11:46]  Marianne McCann: That would rock, Jack
[11:46]  Jude Towton: HEre it is…LL has no idea what to do about them, and they wont. This will go around in circles forever because even if they come up with something, which is unlikely, they wont have the means to enforce it *cough cough* adult policy *cough*
[11:47]  Charlene Trudeau: well, I think on the group front there should be a level of success that does award more, the more you do in world, the more you need them, even if thats heavy volunteer work
[11:47]  Toy LaFollette: I still dont use all my group slots…. guess I learned to conserve long ago
[11:47]  Arawn Spitteler: The only truly fair proposal, is to reward people for being me.
[11:47]  Melody Regent: I would also like to see more EMs. I know that small estates may not need that many, but for those of us wil larger estates, I would like to be able to see that… or, maybe you can add a GROUP that has Estate Manager powers.
[11:47]  Alexxa Despres: LOL Arawn
[11:47]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: Jack, Have you read Halting State by Charles Stross?
[11:47]  Hailie Callisto: What if LL provided a model service for those who need models. They could be rented accounts thru LL that are specifically designed to not count as traffic and if you need a model, you have to use an LL based bot.
[11:47]  Jack Linden: hehe Arawn
[11:47]  Marianne McCann: Group slots become hell when you have to rent mall spaces, or handle different land groups. I still wish one could set re/script rights on aparcel by parcel basis
[11:47]  Toy LaFollette: isnt that a reward in itself, Arwen? ㋡
[11:48]  Greywolf Moonlight: we desperately need more group slots, and if it means going premium to get more, I think alot of people would
[11:48]  wildorchid Fairymeadow: hehe
[11:48]  Marianne McCann: rez/script*
[11:48]  Cytherea Eagle: On another note, i wouldlike to see the ability to set land for sale to anyone in a particular group. Instead of one individual, maybe the officers of an entire group.
[11:48]  Jack Linden: Melody, I like the idea of EM powers being Group roles, that would seem very elegant to me
[11:48]  Master Kane: good and bad idea.. hallie.. people wouldnt pay for a bot.. but that would do alot of good id think
[11:48]  Vernes Veranes: Hailie, what an elaborate way to avoid signing an avatar as scripted agent?
[11:48]  Charlene Trudeau: I’d like to see it too, Jack
[11:48]  Jonit Ivory: Yes we do, trying to remove oneself from Hippo groups is a nightmare, you have to return to the place where you first clicked
[11:49]  Charlene Trudeau: but then we definitely need more groups!
[11:49]  Charlene Trudeau: lol
[11:49]  Master Kane: scripted agent = legalized traffic gaming
[11:49]  Saffia Widdershins is Online
[11:49]  Marianne McCann: What I had in mind a while back on rez rights on land: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12078
[11:49]  Ciaran Laval: scripted agents won’t count pretty soon in traffic scores so not legalised gaming at all
[11:49]  Master Kane: yeah.. well I will stop saying that when it DOES not show
[11:50]  Jack Linden: Very soon Master
[11:50]  Hailie Callisto: ok so they dont *rent them* but are a provided service. At least it would be more controleld and gaming would be less effective to those gaming the system
[11:50]  Melody Regent: Jack, in the Estate Tools, you have us the ability to ALLOW whole groups on a sim. How hard would it be to BAN a whole group? There are some groups out there that we would find good to ban anyone a member of.
[11:50]  Arawn Spitteler: Something I haven’t Jiraed yet, in addition to Partnerships, should be servitudes. We should be able to designate our owners, wehther Gorean or Botted. But we should also have a celebrated friendship page, and I might hae Jiraed that.
[11:50]  Hailie Callisto: good idea mel, banning a whole group would be great
[11:50]  Jack Linden: It’s certainly possible Melody, but would it really help? Dropping a group and getting invited back in is a very easy thing to do
[11:50]  Cytherea Eagle: and maybe more land controls via your SL accout interface. ie. the ability to set for sale/ change price of land without loging in
[11:51]  Bronson Blackadder: worst enemies page
[11:51]  Melody Regent: Yes it would help, becuase there are some groups that people WONT leave
[11:51]  Frankie Antonioni: Why not replace premium with a land sales fee. 10% for half, or whole sim, and higher amounts fo smaller parcels. Say 25% for 512 sq meters, to 1024 sq meters.
[11:51]  Cytherea Eagle: would reduce bot use as well
[11:51]  Melody Regent: and Jack, I am not above making it harder on them
[11:51]  Jude Towton: Or groupsone doesnt want, say, RL pic sellers on the land
[11:51]  Arawn Spitteler: I think I suggested Goups and Nationalities, for theAccess and Bann lists, of lands
[11:51]  Charlene Trudeau: Jack, its not that easy a lot of times, you can’t always just add yourself back to the group, you have to be invited, and that means annoying someone else to invite you
[11:51]  Jack Linden: Frankie, not all Premiums are merchants
[11:51]  Melody Regent: SO they have to leave a group to get here, fine. But that still makes them have to takes some steps to get on the sims
[11:51]  Jack Linden: Or even landowners
[11:51]  Charlene Trudeau: Don’t talk to me about the panic when lag hits and you drop your own estates group bya ccident
[11:52]  Melody Regent: and, it also keeps others from coming at all. Some people will be to dumb to know to leave the group
[11:52]  Charlene Trudeau: instead of whatever you meant to
[11:52]  Toy LaFollette: mpremium and not in any business
[11:52]  Frankie Antonioni: But you would sell more land that way.
[11:52]  Jack Linden: Arawn, you would want to ban by nationality?
[11:52]  Master Kane: had that happen charlene
[11:52]  Arawn Spitteler: Different standards of censorship
[11:52]  Arawn Spitteler: What’s appropriate in Holland might not be appropriate in Germany
[11:52]  Charlene Trudeau: and you ahve all the shops that want you to join their group to get special freebies or discounts and adding and dropping those all the time are simply a pain, beside if you drop it then you don’t get the notices
[11:53]  Bronson Blackadder: arawn… for shame:/
[11:53]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot interjects, “None of us really sell or rent land, We’re in the business of selling people the chance to have fun.”
[11:53]  Arawn Spitteler: Some countries allow for Internet Gambling
[11:53]  Melody Regent: I am not sure how we got from banning a group to banning a nationality
[11:53]  Jack Linden: I guess if the Group ban also took into account whether you had been in the group recently – that would probably help a lot
[11:53]  Ciaran Laval: They actually talked along those lines at one stage Arawn, saying they shouldn’t set policy by the lowest common denominator
[11:53]  Jonit Ivory: Arawn, that’s not viable, and frankly, being ^Welsh, I’d get banned more than the French *sighs*
[11:53]  Arawn Spitteler: We should be able to have opinions
[11:53]  Alliez Mysterio: But you are not in some country you are in SL
[11:53]  Master Kane: theres really no reason to join a group (being sarcastic here) because everyone seems to spam with unwanted notecards when you land somewhere AFTER you leave , even a few days later
[11:54]  Bronson Blackadder: @jonit…lol
[11:54]  Driftwood Miles: LOL Jonit!
[11:54]  Charlene Trudeau: by the time you have two for your own estates, two for another estate you’re an em for, two more for two more you em for, five for your rp area (and could have more if you were really active) and three for relay for life (in the slow time, I’ll have more later)…..
[11:54]  Melody Regent: If it doesnt take that much to get us a tool like that, and WE, the end users think it would be very much needed, why would you not give it to us?
[11:54]  Cytherea Eagle: lol I would be the first to be place on that list
[11:55]  Toy LaFollette: Maybe…
[11:55]  Toy LaFollette: offewr more groups for additional cost per month
[11:55]  Arawn Spitteler: Nationality Bann would be through IPA
[11:55]  Jack Linden: Melody, I don’t disagree at all. If estate owners really feel that would be helpful we could look at it
[11:55]  Melody Regent: how do we let you know?
[11:55]  Arawn Spitteler: Added groups for Premiums and Concierge?
[11:55]  Zoha Boa: it would be very helpfull
[11:55]  Jack Linden: Is there a pJira?
[11:55]  Talarus Luan: JIRA!
[11:55]  Hailie Callisto: I think it would jack
[11:55]  Melody Regent: people here are saying it would be a help
[11:55]  Qie Niangao: Mel, you mean Estate bans, right? not parcel
[11:55]  Vernes Veranes: I thin such too would quickl become annoying, asa grou couldquickl be baned fo the ation o a sinle peron
[11:55]  Talarus Luan: hah
[11:55]  Charlene Trudeau: I think it would, Jack, and I’m against ‘guilt by association’ but there are some groups that are known trouble
[11:55]  Alliez Mysterio: someone let me knowo what else happens please, have to rent land
[11:55]  Melody Regent: should I get a petition signed?
[11:55]  Melody Regent: a letter writting campaign?
[11:56]  Hailie Callisto: tc Alliez
[11:56]  Dytska Vieria: JIRA!
[11:56]  Talarus Luan: That’s basically what JIRA is for, but I don’t find it very compelling as a way to prompt LL to do something.
[11:56]  Melody Regent: I did my one Jira
[11:56]  Jonit Ivory: no to JIRA, Second life answers is the key, along with questions on why my friend was banned, and is it okay to dress as a woman
[11:56]  Talarus Luan: Gack. SLA
[11:56]  WolfBaginski Bearsfoot: Charlene, I know of one such group, maybe pretty small, but it closed down and they started up a new group.
[11:56]  Jack Linden: no need for open letters! but if you get a good pJira created with some comments from folks that agree, then I’ll take it forward and discuss it with the engineers
[11:56]  Cytherea Eagle: but gave me an idea…. grid-wide bannin of a user with one interface from all o your and….possible…already available for non-estate owners?
[11:56]  Ciaran Laval: Jack’s answered the dressing as a woman one over the last few months
[11:56]  Qie Niangao: heh. SLA *must* be good: it’s on the MotD all the time now
[11:57]  Charlene Trudeau: lol, Ciaran
[11:57]  Vernes Veranes: Ok, my typing is horrible. A group would quickly find itself banned for the action of one person.
[11:57]  Jack Linden: Does anyone else hear constant walking noises?
[11:57]  Driftwood Miles: Lol Ciaran and how it was answered!
[11:57]  Jonit Ivory: Qie, I read SLA for fun
[11:57]  Seattle LeShelle: jacqulien
[11:57]  LSL Scientist: grid wide ban can be done with scripted gadgets
[11:57]  Driftwood Miles: what a hottie
[11:57]  Master Kane: yep i do
[11:57]  Arawn Spitteler: Also, groups should be able to list ther parcels, publicly or privately
[11:57]  Bronte Wade: Jack – Who is dealing with Camping issues of late, many place are again using campers and camping bots – is it still being policed ?
[11:58]  Qie Niangao: Jonit, you have a wicked sense of humor. And I don’t mean that in a nice way. :p
[11:58]  Ardy Lay: wildorchid Fairymeadow shoes are running wild.
[11:58]  Cytherea Eagle: yes, this I know but could be a cool feature in upcoming viewer update
[11:58]  Jonit Ivory: I do, and I know you do not
[11:58]  Hailie Callisto: I do, I had to turn my sound off. Shoes with clicking heels should be banned, lol
[11:58]  Jack Linden: Bronte, the governance folks deal with it. If you see bad cases, please feel free to AR
[11:58]  Talarus Luan: wildorchid’s show
[11:58]  Talarus Luan: *shoe
[11:58]  Bronte Wade: how many times do we have to AR ? lol …sounds sacastic but would we say 15 times excessive ?
[11:58]  Marianne McCann: Hailie – should clicking heels be added to the parcel ban list?
[11:58]  Toy LaFollette at clicking shoes on grass textures hehehe
[11:58]  Marianne McCann winks
[11:58]  Toy LaFollette: LOL !!! !!!
[11:59]  Hailie Callisto: LOL YES mari!
[11:59]  Jack Linden: okay, well folks, I need to vanish so that I can make my next meeting. good meeting today, thank you all for coming along
[11:59]  Vernes Veranes: Imagine, bumping into ban-lines all the time, 35 chances to be banned by SOMEONE. And with more groups, this increases.
[11:59]  Sonya Haight: darn turned my shoes off, but if I had known it was bugging Haillie I would have left them on
[11:59]  Talarus Luan: Ciao Jack.
[11:59]  Ardy Lay: No, clicking heels should stop clicking when the wearer stops walking.
[11:59]  Ciaran Laval: Cheers Jack
[11:59]  Jude Towton: cocks a brow, “Ah, and how feel you Jack of the enforcment of sex and violent themed places, going well?”
[11:59]  Toy LaFollette: tc Jack
[11:59]  Cytherea Eagle: I was told oncethat if i file more than once per AR, they would be igored
[11:59]  Talarus Luan: Stake the microparcel barons!
[11:59]  Arawn Spitteler: Someone could suggest a limit sound to group members option
[11:59]  Master Kane: thanks jack!
[11:59]  Alexxa Despres: Thanks Jack
[11:59]  Charlene Trudeau: tc jack
[11:59]  Trouble Streeter: bye jack!

[2010/01/07 10:59]  Driftwood Miles: Hi there Dirk
[2010/01/07 11:00]  Dirk Klees: I hope everyone rezzed for me, i don’t want to sit on someone Just shout if i do
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Alexxa Despres: Hi Ya Charlene )
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Marianne McCann: Hope the guest of honor shows up
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Marianne McCann grins
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Marianne McCann: Hey Charlene
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Charlene Trudeau: hiya
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Sarah Nerd: He’s online
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Marianne McCann: That’s a good sign, then
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Timo Daehlie: hiya
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Marianne McCann: Hey Timo
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Dytska Vieria: Hi Timo
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Jack Linden: hello everyone
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Dirk Klees: Hi Jack ㋡
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Timo Daehlie:
[2010/01/07 11:01]  Equinox Pinion: maybe making the price post
[2010/01/07 11:02]  IM: Motor Loon: Me too
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Sarah Nerd: Whats up Timo?
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Jack Linden: happy new year!!
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Charlene Trudeau: hiya, Jack
[2010/01/07 11:02]  LisaDeanna Zhora: Welcome Jac. Happy New year!
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Equinox Pinion: hi jack, Happy New Year
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Dytska Vieria: Hi Jack!
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Alexxa Despres: Hey Ciaran
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Dirk Klees: Happy New Year!
[2010/01/07 11:02]  LisaDeanna Zhora: Jack, even
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Timo Daehlie: not much Saar
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Driftwood Miles: thats not Jack, Jack is an elderly lady
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Questar Utu waves.
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Alexxa Despres: Hi Ya Jack..happy 2010
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Marianne McCann: Speak of the devil
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Ciaran Laval: Hi Alexxa
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Marianne McCann smiles
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Zoha Boa: wow jack; you must have a great holiday; you are reborn
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Driftwood Miles: Hi there Ciaran HNY to you
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Jack Linden: my house is pretty much buried in snow, it really has been a white christmas
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Ciaran Laval: You too Drift
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Charlene Trudeau: like a phoenix ;P
[2010/01/07 11:02]  Marianne McCann: Hey Qie
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Qie Niangao: hi Mari, all.
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Ardy Lay: I just got my first real snow today. About 4″ so far.
[2010/01/07 11:03]  LisaDeanna Zhora: yeah, thats jack… he must have got his inventory wiped out on that last maintenance
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Marianne McCann snickers
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Jack Linden: right, so.. who wants to kick us off?
[2010/01/07 11:03]  LisaDeanna Zhora: come here.. Ill kick ya
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Mojito Sorbet: I have a Q about auctions and abandoned land
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Jack Linden: hehe Lisa
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Zoha Boa raises hands
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Equinox Pinion: prices for 2010?
[2010/01/07 11:03]  IM: Motor Loon: Im there
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Sarah Nerd shakes fist in anger
[2010/01/07 11:03]  LisaDeanna Zhora:
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Ardy Lay: How is the new hardware working?
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Jack Linden: Mojito, go for it
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Mojito Sorbet: Ok.
[2010/01/07 11:03]  Marianne McCann: Jack, kudos to the moles for recent work on the SLRR and elsewhere.
[2010/01/07 11:04]  LisaDeanna Zhora: Hi Motor
[2010/01/07 11:04]  Mojito Sorbet: Two adjacent sims on mainland. A person holding 512,m in the SE corner of one abandoned it
[2010/01/07 11:04]  Melody Regent: Jack I have to say, I like you as a man a little more. I wont sit here thinking of oatmeal cookies
[2010/01/07 11:04]  Mojito Sorbet: Just before Xmas
[2010/01/07 11:04]  IM: Trouble Streeter: ty
[2010/01/07 11:04]  Jack Linden: hey Sarah.. why the shake of the fist?
[2010/01/07 11:04]  LisaDeanna Zhora: ouch
[2010/01/07 11:04]  Mojito Sorbet: The people who own what is on either side would like to buy it,
[2010/01/07 11:04]  Qie Niangao nods in agreement: Michael and the Moles have been very productive.
[2010/01/07 11:04]  Mojito Sorbet: to maintain a wlaking corridor between the two sims
[2010/01/07 11:04]  Sarah Nerd: Just giving you crap, really I have nothing to bitch about today.
[2010/01/07 11:05]  Jack Linden:
[2010/01/07 11:05]  Mojito Sorbet: It does not quite meet the criteris for buying an abandoned bit, as neither pewrson surrounds it
[2010/01/07 11:05]  Jack Linden: ah i see Mojito.. have you spoken to Guy Linden about it?
[2010/01/07 11:05]  Mojito Sorbet: It ios exactly tight in the SE corner of n of the sims
[2010/01/07 11:05]  Mojito Sorbet: No.
[2010/01/07 11:05]  Jack Linden: I would suggest you start there
[2010/01/07 11:05]  Mojito Sorbet: The people involved are all asleep now, so I came here to find out what they should do.
[2010/01/07 11:05]  Jack Linden: He will be able to help I’m sure
[2010/01/07 11:06]  Mojito Sorbet: Ok, thank you
[2010/01/07 11:06]  Mojito Sorbet: They should IM him?
[2010/01/07 11:06]  IM: Motor Loon: brb… putting hot cocao on
[2010/01/07 11:06]  IM: Trouble Streeter: kk
[2010/01/07 11:06]  Jack Linden: Yes.. i will also let him know to expect a ping
[2010/01/07 11:06]  Mojito Sorbet: Ok. The two sims involved are Milarepa, and the one just to the West of it
[2010/01/07 11:07]  Mojito Sorbet: I will inform the Milarepa administrator
[2010/01/07 11:07]  Qie Niangao: Chodron looks to be the one to the west
[2010/01/07 11:07]  Mojito Sorbet: Yes, that is the one
[2010/01/07 11:07]  Jack Linden: re. Michael and the DPW.. yeah they have really stepped up the last couple of months – lots of good stuff going on
[2010/01/07 11:07]  Mojito Sorbet: 512m in the SE corner of Chodron is the plot in question
[2010/01/07 11:08]  Equinox Pinion: Jack, when will you announce the new prices
[2010/01/07 11:08]  IM: Trouble Streeter: good god. I know Mojito, she will talk Jacks’s ear off to death for an hour not stopping on this one single topic.
[2010/01/07 11:08]  IM: Trouble Streeter: smart woman, but GAH!
[2010/01/07 11:08]  Marianne McCann: Yes, especially heartening to see the roads and rail lines being built or fixed. Finally seeing some work on a fix it of mine from April ’08, too
[2010/01/07 11:08]  Marianne McCann grins
[2010/01/07 11:09]  Jack Linden: Equinox.. we’re hoping to blog about that (basically about the year ahead) soon, certainly before the end of January. We’re talking about that now
[2010/01/07 11:09]  Equinox Pinion: thanks
[2010/01/07 11:09]  Jack Linden: I know everyone wants some stability and need to know well ahead of time
[2010/01/07 11:10]  Zoha Boa: whatever you decide i hope you will not cahgne your mind in mai or june; that did hurt the most lasst year
[2010/01/07 11:10]  Melody Regent: We are waiting to hear from you so that we can plan our business model for the year. The longer you wait, the less money you make off me and I know countless others. So the sooner you let us know the plans, the better for sure
[2010/01/07 11:10]  Charlene Trudeau: how soon will the removal of the remainng class 4′s be complete?
[2010/01/07 11:10]  LisaDeanna Zhora: is it possibale to notify everyone ( like you all do with events ) when prices change through emails?
[2010/01/07 11:10]  Jack Linden: Agreed Melody.
[2010-01-07 11:10:38]  Jack Linden: Agreed Melody.
[2010-01-07 11:11:09]  Jack Linden: Charlene, pretty soon. I think some have already migrated but it’s an ongoing process.
[2010-01-07 11:11:29]  Charlene Trudeau: I have two that are just kicking me sideways
[2010-01-07 11:11:33]  Charlene Trudeau: soo cool
[2010-01-07 11:11:38]  Ardy Lay: How is the new hardware working? Are you running 8 full regions on a new host now?
[2010-01-07 11:11:54]  Jack Linden: we’ve been managing hardware between colos as well, to better serve the grid. the ops team have been really busy
[2010-01-07 11:12:12]  Melody Regent: Are all class 4s now gone?
[2010-01-07 11:12:42]  Jack Linden: The newer hardware is performing fine Ardy.. we found a couple of issues during testing but those were resolved
[2010-01-07 11:12:46]  Jack Linden: Not yet Melody
[2010-01-07 11:12:57]  Melody Regent: What is the eta for completion on those?
[2010-01-07 11:13:57]  Jack Linden: I don’t have one Melody. We want to do it as quickly as we can obviously, but we also have to swap some capacity around
[2010-01-07 11:14:27]  Dirk Klees: What sort of prices will be affected by the changes? The Purchase, the tiers, or both? And will they change for every product, or just for homesteads?
[2010-01-07 11:15:19]  Jack Linden: Dirk, I wasn’t implying there were any changes.. I was just saying that we want to be in a position to be clear on what is coming up (even if that something is ‘no change’) so that everyone can plan
[2010-01-07 11:15:53]  Charlene Trudeau: in other words, he can’t say til they put a blog out on it later in the month
[2010-01-07 11:15:59]  Equinox Pinion: any news on the script limits?
[2010-01-07 11:16:02]  Jack Linden: hehe thanks Charlene
[2010-01-07 11:16:05]  Charlene Trudeau winks at Jack
[2010-01-07 11:16:32]  Melody Regent: Jack, when you announcement about pricing. Will that be for the full year or will/should we expect some other announcemnt later in the year? If you announce pricing, we would like to know that is the final word for the year
[2010-01-07 11:16:35]  Jack Linden: Equinox.. still rolling forward.. there will be a Viewer RC soon that includes the first script load info
[2010-01-07 11:16:58]  Equinox Pinion: great!
[2010-01-07 11:17:00]  Jack Linden: It will include a measure of the load for the land you own in a region (parcel to region level counts)
[2010-01-07 11:17:18]  Dirk Klees: If there’s any change up, i would rather see the purchase prices raising than the tiers
[2010-01-07 11:17:19]  Jack Linden: It will also include a count of URLs used, as script URLs are a part of the load
[2010-01-07 11:17:23]  Sophi Humby: hi
[2010-01-07 11:17:55]  Ciaran Laval: February I think Babbage said it might be available as RC
[2010-01-07 11:18:06]  LisaDeanna Zhora: that wouldnt be much fair to someone that wants ONE sim.. that would make land barons richer
[2010-01-07 11:18:19]  Dytska Vieria: Incidently, Babbage posted in http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895 that there is a fix pending for mono script problems.
[2010-01-07 11:18:21]  Jack Linden: Yes Ciaran.. it’ll be in an RC soon
[2010-01-07 11:18:33]  Qie Niangao: Jack, the perennial plea: When can we expect renewed progress on removing microparcel extortion? Specifically, can we clean up the shit left behind by Luke Termagant (“Gold Coins”) and Maxx Arkin, for starters?
[2010-01-07 11:18:35]  Zoha Boa: the purchase of a sim is not the cost lisa; the monthly cost is the problem for most people
[2010-01-07 11:18:47]  Qie Niangao: I hate to keep bugging you about this, but believe me, it’s getting at least as tiring a subject for us as it is for you.
[2010-01-07 11:18:51]  Timo Daehlie: for land barons too
[2010-01-07 11:19:00]  Charlene Trudeau: pardon, Lisa? You’d rather see your monthly fees go up than an initial invest? you don’t ever want your long term payments to be higher than a one time fee
[2010-01-07 11:19:04]  Bau Ur: ah, sorry, you had not rezzed.
[2010-01-07 11:19:06]  Bau Ur: Forgive me.
[2010-01-07 11:19:18]  LisaDeanna Zhora: thats what I was gettin at Zoha
[2010-01-07 11:19:29]  Jack Linden: Qie.. I’m not sure where we are with those specifics, and I wouldn’t generally comment on individuals.. but I will talk to the team
[2010-01-07 11:19:36]  Jack Linden: I don’t have any new news though, sorry
[2010-01-07 11:19:48]  Qie Niangao: Can we expect an update next week?
[2010-01-07 11:19:52]  Marianne McCann: ‘sokay, Bau. There’s a seat between Sarah and Charlene, and one next to Dirk
[2010-01-07 11:20:21]  Jack Linden: A general update sure.. but I can’t talk about specific customers
[2010-01-07 11:20:54]  Ciaran Laval: Well considering it’s only a couple of main nuisances left, a general talk will be about them, but you don’t need to name them Jack
[2010-01-07 11:20:56]  Qie Niangao: Right, understood. I’m a little testy just now because I got double-crossed by Cytheria Eagle today. I think Sarah may remember her. :p
[2010-01-07 11:21:11]  Sarah Nerd: Sadly I do.
[2010-01-07 11:21:11]  Ciaran Laval: Let’s not talk Twinkies
[2010-01-07 11:21:36]  Adorabella Felisimo: What are your plans for the port building in the Mosh region in Zindra. When will those parcels be up for auction? Also, the monorail station is now on the outside of the building and not inside as planned. Will you be removing the rail from inside? That building needs some work.
[2010-01-07 11:21:44]  Dirk Klees: I think a higher purchase price (as we had earlier 1675USD) would benefit on the long run both parties. Right now i see so many beautiful sims empty, both on mainland and estates
[2010-01-07 11:22:18]  Equinox Pinion: you are right dirk….we need more users
[2010-01-07 11:22:29]  Arwen Daviau: Agrees with Dirk
[2010-01-07 11:22:48]  Jack Linden: Adorabella, I think Blondin and the DPW have that on their slate but I’m not sure when. Last I heard the plan was to run some spaces much like the Luna Mall.. but you should check with Blondin.
[2010-01-07 11:22:59]  Bau Ur: well if LL would have better new user orientation and experiences…(fades out, grumbling)
[2010-01-07 11:23:06]  Dirk Klees: More users is one thing…but when everyone can afford a sim and we have 50.000 users logged in and everyone sits on his own sim, we have can forget about communities
[2010-01-07 11:23:07]  Jack Linden: I agree the building needs some more work
[2010-01-07 11:23:18]  Jack Linden: I was there the other day.. needs a few days of mole attention
[2010-01-07 11:23:19]  Melody Regent: Higher price to purchase is fine with me. It cost to set up a server and should cost to set up a sim. Howver ongoing cost usually get LESS not more, so tiers should not be as high
[2010-01-07 11:23:33]  Marianne McCann: Ya, Adorabella, I was wondering why the monorail did not go into the monorail station. Odd, that
[2010-01-07 11:23:35]  Equinox Pinion: it is not the buy price dirk….the monthly costs
[2010-01-07 11:23:49]  Melody Regent: but if you raise bying, make ongoing less
[2010-01-07 11:23:50]  Melody Regent: Jack, when you announcement about pricing. Will that be for the full year or will/should we expect some other announcemnt later in the year? If you announce pricing, we would like to know that is the final word for the year
[2010-01-07 11:23:54]  Ciaran Laval: There’s no need for an increase in purchase price, hardware costs have come down
[2010-01-07 11:23:55]  Charlene Trudeau: we can’t afford for monthlies to go up tho
[2010-01-07 11:24:01]  Dirk Klees: right…the montly cost should stay where it is or be less, but a higher purchase would prevent an oversaturation
[2010-01-07 11:24:03]  Charlene Trudeau: people are having a hard time affording even parcel sizes
[2010-01-07 11:24:14]  Charlene Trudeau: the economy ou there in the rl sucks
[2010-01-07 11:24:24]  LisaDeanna Zhora: agree ciaran!
[2010-01-07 11:24:31]  Sarah Nerd: Id monthly goes up I can see a lot of people getting out.
[2010-01-07 11:24:32]  Adorabella Felisimo: thanks
[2010-01-07 11:24:34]  Sarah Nerd: if*
[2010-01-07 11:24:39]  Driftwood Miles: If peopel are paying their tier for land empty or not how is that oversaturation?
[2010-01-07 11:24:47]  Dirk Klees: you can compare it with currency…if Lindens would throw more L$ into the market without need, it would loose its value..the same happens with sims now
[2010-01-07 11:24:48]  Driftwood Miles: people
[2010-01-07 11:24:55]  Jack Linden: Melody.. if we feel we can commit to the year, we will. But we’re still discussing that.
[2010-01-07 11:25:23]  Timo Daehlie: jack is there something that can be done about max prim using border builders on the mainland ?
[2010-01-07 11:25:26]  LisaDeanna Zhora: Sarah: that would get rid of alot of “Sim hogs” that can care less
[2010-01-07 11:25:33]  LisaDeanna Zhora: well maybe not too
[2010-01-07 11:25:37]  Arwen Daviau: One one of my sim 6 out of my 8 tenants have lost their jobs… the economy should be considered with sim pricing and tier
[2010-01-07 11:25:50]  Jack Linden: Timo.. not familiar with that issue. Can you drop me more info?
[2010-01-07 11:26:00]  Zoha Boa: jACK? how can we plan our business if LL can’t give us FIXED prices for a year ?N
[2010-01-07 11:26:03]  Adonis Prinz: I have that questiona s well
[2010-01-07 11:26:04]  Timo Daehlie: sure .. i send you some pics
[2010-01-07 11:26:06]  Driftwood Miles: Supply and Demand is what will make decisions
[2010-01-07 11:26:07]  Charlene Trudeau: exactly, Arwen, which is why an up front being changed is fine but a raise in tier would be really bad
[2010-01-07 11:26:12]  Sarah Nerd: Prices hikes killed me. I bought into open space sims big time, they jacked the price and I went under.
[2010-01-07 11:26:22]  Adonis Prinz: why doesn’t the SL pricies run in parity with Real world?
[2010-01-07 11:26:29]  Marianne McCann: Ya, Arwen. I had to cut back my holding quite a bit this year due to my own RL job situation
[2010-01-07 11:26:40]  Jack Linden: Zoha, I agree it would be best if we can do that. And that is the aim, but as we’re still talking about this I can’t guarantee that we’ll make that long a commitment.
[2010-01-07 11:27:02]  Equinox Pinion: how so..dont you have a budget you stick to
[2010-01-07 11:27:14]  Zoha Boa: seems that you NEVER can do that, see the Hs story
[2010-01-07 11:28:11]  Jack Linden: We have forecasts and budgets like any company Equinox, and we’ve last year to close out. As I said, we absolutely want to be as open and definitive as we can be, well in advance.
[2010-01-07 11:28:36]  Melody Regent: Well, if you cant give us a full year of price promises, atleast give us a time line where you will make us aware of the new line. You guys are horrible about give timelines and timelines and stability is what we need. Specially in these uncertain times
[2010-01-07 11:28:39]  Dirk Klees: It also would help to fight unserious hobbyist estate owners, buying a used sim for 450-700usd, renting some space out a while, then they dont feel they want to continue or had enough fun, kick their tenants out, getting back their investment of 450-700usd and made no loss on it, keeping the tenants money, and destroy the reputation of private estates. including those, who conduct a serious and honest business behaviour. higher purchase prices would help to prevent such cases more than the prices we have now.
[2010-01-07 11:29:31]  Sarah Nerd: Good point Dirk
[2010-01-07 11:29:35]  Equinox Pinion: dirk, that has nothing to do with the sim prices from linden, the market makes the used sim prices
[2010-01-07 11:29:39]  Jack Linden: stability is key, I totally believe that.
[2010-01-07 11:29:44]  Motor Loon: agrees with Dirk
[2010-01-07 11:29:46]  Arwen Daviau: excellent point Dirk
[2010-01-07 11:29:50]  Melody Regent: Very good point Dirk. I dont think it shuld be as easy to buy in
[2010-01-07 11:29:58]  ANASTASIO Docherty: we all here wait for jack?
[2010-01-07 11:30:03]  LisaDeanna Zhora: no it doesnt, agreed Equinox
[2010-01-07 11:30:09]  Ciaran Laval: Can we stop with the protectionist policies, the market dictates second hand pricing
[2010-01-07 11:30:10]  Adorabella Felisimo: ok
[2010-01-07 11:30:11]  Dirk Klees: that has a lot to do with the linden prices…if lindens ask for 1675, everyone selling a used sim would naturally be able to ask for more, too
[2010-01-07 11:30:12]  Driftwood Miles: and what about honest small estate owners who can afford 1000 however 1675 would be out of their reach?
[2010-01-07 11:30:17]  Melody Regent: it also makes the resll on our higher investment more stable as well
[2010-01-07 11:30:27]  Sarah Nerd: On the other side you don’t want to make sim ownership impossible for someone that doesn’t want to go through a barron
[2010-01-07 11:30:27]  Equinox Pinion: not true dirk
[2010-01-07 11:30:45]  Driftwood Miles: smacks of elitism and cartels
[2010-01-07 11:30:53]  Dirk Klees: And i guess it serves LL-s reputation as well, when people are not ripped off by unserious landlords as much as they are now
[2010-01-07 11:30:54]  Qie Niangao: Not sure it would matter that much: the hobbyists could still flip the land for about what they paid for it… just the numbers are bigger.
[2010-01-07 11:31:01]  LisaDeanna Zhora: think thats what I just said a minute ago mel
[2010-01-07 11:31:05]  Bau Ur: I come with concern for the bug that allows banned persons to rez objects over a border into land from which they are banned. Is anyone else appalled about this? https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2900
[2010-01-07 11:31:37]  Adonis Prinz: wow thats Terrible
[2010-01-07 11:31:39]  Bau Ur: I help run a sandbox. We are disgusted with this bug.
[2010-01-07 11:31:40]  Motor Loon miss Jacks ol’ lady outfit…
[2010-01-07 11:32:03]  Bau Ur: I fel that landowners shuld have much more power over land.
[2010-01-07 11:32:11]  Jack Linden: hehe Motor
[2010-01-07 11:32:14]  Seattle LeShelle: what about our aim to provide a quality land and community experience fir the average SL user if teir goes up they are the ones affected you lose them you lose the so called middle class of sl.
[2010-01-07 11:33:11]  Melody Regent: shoot, I just wish the BANS would stick. Jack, that is a huge and massive issue. People banned, land and estate and it not sticking. Heck, sometimes we cant even TP them home to get them off the sims
[2010-01-07 11:33:28]  Driftwood Miles: That is a huge issue Jack
[2010-01-07 11:33:29]  Equinox Pinion: why do you make people who run a community gateway sim pay for the sim? they do the work for you and have to pay for it?
[2010-01-07 11:33:30]  Bau Ur: Yes.
[2010-01-07 11:33:31]  Arwen Daviau: If you look at the amount of land that is available, sims or plots.. The smarter decision is not to flood the market with more.
[2010-01-07 11:33:44]  Bau Ur: The ban capacity is always maxed out in our sandboxes.
[2010-01-07 11:33:46]  Driftwood Miles: bigger than huge…it’s….well….BIGGGG
[2010-01-07 11:33:48]  mania Frentis: hallo
[2010-01-07 11:34:10]  Dirk Klees agrees with Arwen
[2010-01-07 11:34:34]  Jack Linden: Equinos, we are now starting to look at affiliate schemes that reward traffic, but with CGs – the owners also get a big bump in traffic to their experience – so both sides benefit a lot
[2010-01-07 11:34:34]  sevi Cuttita: Halllooooo
[2010-01-07 11:34:54]  Ciaran Laval: Doesn’t having a community Gateway give you a big advertising boost for your own wares?
[2010-01-07 11:35:16]  Equinox Pinion: well..i wouldnt do it for traffic…i would do it for keeping newbies in sl..but i am not willing to pay for the im
[2010-01-07 11:35:26]  Equinox Pinion: i dont need traffic
[2010-01-07 11:35:32]  Zoha Boa: reward trafic to mainland (premium accounts); as said during our meeting a few weeks ago..we DON’T want to promote premium (mainland) membership as a private estate owner
[2010-01-07 11:35:44]  Dirk Klees: If everyone would get a community gateway for free, everyone would have one – back to problem nr. 1…oversaturation
[2010-01-07 11:36:03]  Arwen Daviau: To Bau comment, the largest issue with ban lists is alt.. if the sim could ban on an IP level .. we would not runout of room
[2010-01-07 11:36:11]  Equinox Pinion: dirk…we need these gateways…too many people lave sl
[2010-01-07 11:36:22]  Ariana Kassner agrees
[2010-01-07 11:36:24]  Bau Ur: Also I believe that land owners ought to be able to control what is seen on their land. If land owners could make everything outside their own borders invisible, it woudl take a load off the servers and off the client viewers of people on the properties, and would ameliorate the problem of ugly neighbors and objectionable content. In fact you should be able to make your neighbors not only invisible but functinally nonexistent…don’t hear their noises, don’t receive objects or view particles originating from their property. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13272
[2010-01-07 11:37:04]  Dirk Klees: People are also leaving for other reasons, not only due to the lack of CG’s
[2010-01-07 11:37:05]  Jack Linden: Zoha, one thing that has been suggested is that we let Premium members use their Tier on estate land too, such that it would could against the fees the estate owner pays – in which case there would be an good incentive to promote Premiums
[2010-01-07 11:37:07]  Bau Ur: WHen an alt is banned and ceased to be listed as an SL resident, is the person’s name automatically removed from the parcel ban lists? I think it sits there taking up room.
[2010-01-07 11:37:27]  Equinox Pinion: but to work for linden 24/7 and have to pay for it is not something i would even consider
[2010-01-07 11:37:27]  Motor Loon: Aint that what a private sim in the middle of the sea is all about Bau?
[2010-01-07 11:37:33]  Driftwood Miles: Now thats a Cookin idea Jack
[2010-01-07 11:37:51]  Zoha Boa: that’s a great idea
[2010-01-07 11:37:55]  Charlene Trudeau: I’d love that
[2010-01-07 11:37:59]  Charlene Trudeau: where do we vote?
[2010-01-07 11:38:02]  Charlene Trudeau:
[2010-01-07 11:38:17]  Equinox Pinion: wait zoha..how much would the estat get compensated for it?
[2010-01-07 11:38:21]  Jack Linden: It’s an interesting idea isn’t it. It would also let Premium members coming through Linden Homes have a more natural flow to rental estates
[2010-01-07 11:38:22]  Adonis Prinz: You guys should ban by IP Address right Jack and name of AV also?
[2010-01-07 11:38:25]  Melody Regent: Speaking of premiums, you have talked about offering more bennies to a premium member. Will you be announcing more benefits soon as well. Right now, there is little advantage to having one.
[2010-01-07 11:38:25]  Alexxa Despres: Jack that would also help newbs be less confused about where they can buy land and use thata llowance
[2010-01-07 11:38:28]  Alexxa Despres: allowance*
[2010-01-07 11:38:31]  Driftwood Miles: all those in favour say “AYE” ………………… “AYE” ….Motion Carried
[2010-01-07 11:38:43]  Sarah Nerd: aye
[2010-01-07 11:38:51]  Jack Linden: Equinox.. it’s just an idea, nothing more than that
[2010-01-07 11:39:01]  Equinox Pinion: or would we just have to give away 512sm
[2010-01-07 11:39:04]  Alexxa Despres: <<ad a lot to eat over Chistmas… I can vote twice aye aye
[2010-01-07 11:39:11]  Sarah Nerd: lol
[2010-01-07 11:39:16]  Driftwood Miles: it’s now policy Jack…sorry
[2010-01-07 11:39:19]  Jack Linden: Melody.. ‘bennies’?
[2010-01-07 11:39:27]  Ciaran Laval: Would that mean you could work towards not charging people who deed estate land the wrong way
[2010-01-07 11:39:30]  Melody Regent: BENEFITS
[2010-01-07 11:39:34]  Motor Loon grins
[2010-01-07 11:39:38]  Melody Regent: (sorry caps)
[2010-01-07 11:39:43]  Charlene Trudeau: more group space for premiums! more and more and more group space to those who have tons of tier fees ;P
[2010-01-07 11:39:53]  Sarah Nerd: HAven’t you heard of friends with Bennies Jack?
[2010-01-07 11:39:55]  Jack Linden: Yes, we do want to add bennies. But I’ve no details that i can give out on that as yet
[2010-01-07 11:40:02]  Jack Linden: Friends with bennies?
[2010-01-07 11:40:10]  Seattle LeShelle: lol
[2010-01-07 11:40:10]  Trouble Streeter perks.
[2010-01-07 11:40:14]  Alexxa Despres: LOL Sarah
[2010-01-07 11:40:16]  Adorabella Felisimo: Jack, Bay City needs a full sim of open Linden land for hosting special events. Can you add a region there?
[2010-01-07 11:40:16]  Adonis Prinz: Jack man
[2010-01-07 11:40:24]  Adonis Prinz: lol never heard of that
[2010-01-07 11:40:29]  Jack Linden: I’m thinking Sarah has better friends than I do.
[2010-01-07 11:40:40]  Sarah Nerd laughs
[2010-01-07 11:40:44]  LisaDeanna Zhora: lol
[2010-01-07 11:40:45]  Alexxa Despres: LMAO
[2010-01-07 11:40:48]  Adonis Prinz: Is Happy hes Sarahs Friend
[2010-01-07 11:40:53]  Zoha Boa: I want a free full prim sim too ack for our events !!
[2010-01-07 11:40:59]  Melody Regent: When will we hear more about the additional benefits?
[2010-01-07 11:41:24]  Jack Linden: Adorabella, that’s a cool idea. We do have some islands.. the problem is that it’s primarily geared for sailing rather than more land oriented stuff
[2010-01-07 11:41:25]  Adonis Prinz: Well with that new Health care bill a lot are going to get another job and stuff
[2010-01-07 11:41:30]  LisaDeanna Zhora: we want a full sim too jack… for.. well.. just to have it
[2010-01-07 11:41:36]  Adonis Prinz: its going to be shaky in next year has to be
[2010-01-07 11:41:40]  Ciaran Laval: Me too!
[2010-01-07 11:41:46]  LisaDeanna Zhora: )
[2010-01-07 11:41:53]  Equinox Pinion: put me on that list too
[2010-01-07 11:41:56]  Motor Loon: put a giant raft on there jack… problem solved
[2010-01-07 11:41:58]  Zoha Boa: and while you are doing that , maybe you can add a dozen ocean sims around it too for free
[2010-01-07 11:42:02]  LisaDeanna Zhora: hahaa .. added
[2010-01-07 11:42:07]  Adorabella Felisimo: that would be fine Jack
[2010-01-07 11:42:08]  Jack Linden: hehe so let me get this straight, you all want a free region.
[2010-01-07 11:42:16]  Sarah Nerd: AYE!
[2010-01-07 11:42:17]  Motor Loon: oh … ok
[2010-01-07 11:42:18]  LisaDeanna Zhora: yeah!
[2010-01-07 11:42:19]  Driftwood Miles: no jack!!
[2010-01-07 11:42:23]  Driftwood Miles: <<wants two
[2010-01-07 11:42:25]  Adonis Prinz: Discounted
[2010-01-07 11:42:30]  Dirk Klees signs up
[2010-01-07 11:42:31]  LisaDeanna Zhora: FULL REGION and nto a HS or OS
[2010-01-07 11:42:32]  Adonis Prinz: as a Benefit
[2010-01-07 11:42:45]  Timo Daehlie: give me some free tier instead
[2010-01-07 11:42:45]  Jack Linden: oh driftwood, now you;re just being greedy!
[2010-01-07 11:42:46]  Charlene Trudeau: lol
[2010-01-07 11:42:48]  Sarah Nerd: Free regions!? This is Jacks best office meeting ever~
[2010-01-07 11:42:54]  Zoha Boa: lol
[2010-01-07 11:42:58]  Arwen Daviau: lol
[2010-01-07 11:42:58]  LisaDeanna Zhora: lol drift
[2010-01-07 11:42:59]  Charlene Trudeau: hehehe
[2010-01-07 11:43:07]  Equinox Pinion: any news about the community partnership program…how many people applied for it and how may are work in progress
[2010-01-07 11:43:08]  Marianne McCann: “You get a region, and you get a region…”
[2010-01-07 11:43:17]  Alexxa Despres: LOL Mari
[2010-01-07 11:43:20]  Jack Linden: Adorabella, best thing to do is to talk to Michael Linden.. see what he thinks; but I’m not sure that a land region would go into Blake Sea
[2010-01-07 11:43:21]  Adorabella Felisimo: lol
[2010-01-07 11:43:24]  Driftwood Miles: I know, it’s a life of Ginsters Pies and Ben and Jerry’s that does it
[2010-01-07 11:43:27]  Adonis Prinz: Man Im just going to say it,, Jack I want a Job man Hire me please I will take all the criticism for you, for 1 free Region
[2010-01-07 11:43:32]  LisaDeanna Zhora: you give a full region… Ill sign up prmmie today! (as long as you give it today)
[2010-01-07 11:43:37]  Alexxa Despres: LOL Drift
[2010-01-07 11:44:04]  Jack Linden: Equinox, a few have applied.. one particularly that we met with today.
[2010-01-07 11:44:08]  Ardy Lay: Weird… Went from wanting to raise prices to keep out the hobbiests to begging for free regions.
[2010-01-07 11:44:27]  Jack Linden: I expect we’ll have 2 or 3 new ones signed up in Q1
[2010-01-07 11:44:30]  Ariana Kassner: I’ve applied myself months ago….they said they werent hiring in my area lol. I didnt quite understand that.
[2010-01-07 11:44:30]  Alexxa Despres: LOL so true Ardy….wonders how those ‘free’ sims will affect oversaturation ;-P
[2010-01-07 11:44:36]  LisaDeanna Zhora: the prices we pay, ardy
[2010-01-07 11:44:40]  Equinox Pinion: ok thanks
[2010-01-07 11:44:43]  Ciaran Laval: You should have a special events region, or an arena or something like that and charge 20 bucks a day for it or something reasonable
[2010-01-07 11:44:46]  Jack Linden: hehe Adonis
[2010-01-07 11:44:47]  Sarah Nerd: If we get free regions Jack is the best friend with Bennies ever
[2010-01-07 11:45:08]  Adonis Prinz: dude im serious is the thing
[2010-01-07 11:45:08]  Milano Ferrentino: And speaking of tier, has there been any rethinking of the 95-to-125 USD hike for homesteads schedule for July? It will likely cause another crash in the land market as happened in October 2008.
[2010-01-07 11:45:14]  Adonis Prinz: lol
[2010-01-07 11:45:21]  Jack Linden: Ciaran, it’s a little known factoid that we do actually rent out Mainland regions
[2010-01-07 11:45:26]  Motor Loon sneaks a bite of Jacks sandwich
[2010-01-07 11:45:28]  Marianne McCann: I’ll work for pay!
[2010-01-07 11:45:29]  Jack Linden: You’ll find info in the wiki
[2010-01-07 11:45:30]  Melody Regent: They will announce pricing changes before the end of the month Milano
[2010-01-07 11:45:39]  Ciaran Laval: Yeah but it’s more than 20 bucks a day
[2010-01-07 11:45:41]  Jack Linden: The regions around Platinum (6 in all) are able to be rented
[2010-01-07 11:45:46]  Jack Linden: No, it’s less
[2010-01-07 11:45:57]  Driftwood Miles: I think homestead tier should go up in price to $85
[2010-01-07 11:46:13]  Ciaran Laval: I must have lost my maths head then, it looked pricey when I checked before
[2010-01-07 11:46:21]  Alexxa Despres: Too much eggnog, Drift!
[2010-01-07 11:46:29]  Jack Linden: I think it’s about L4000 per day, or L3000 for a non profit
[2010-01-07 11:46:37]  Melody Regent: make it higher to buy a OS but like $10usd a month for it. Since OS are nearly useless
[2010-01-07 11:46:45]  Driftwood Miles: Eggnog is my friend with bennies
[2010-01-07 11:46:49]  LisaDeanna Zhora: isnt that around 20?
[2010-01-07 11:46:53]  Alexxa Despres: :-p !
[2010-01-07 11:46:59]  Adonis Prinz: Ok Jack I have a question what can you share to all of us , if you were telling us to stay here and keep investing give us more comfort your ideas projections what yu guys are going to do, to spur more paying players also
[2010-01-07 11:47:18]  Adonis Prinz: instead of us venting i want to hear what new changes coming and your immediate plans to help us and fix stuff
[2010-01-07 11:47:41]  Bau Ur: I would like to hear some kind of reassurance about the banned-people-rezzing-stuff bug.
[2010-01-07 11:47:52]  Ciaran Laval: Ah private regions 50 bucks a day, that must be what I was thinking of Jack
[2010-01-07 11:48:40]  Charlene Trudeau: OS tier should go *down* imo, 75 is just far far too much for the minor functionality they serve
[2010-01-07 11:48:48]  Arwen Daviau: Agrees with Adonis.. i too would like to hear the LL business model for 2010.. would help with planning my budget
[2010-01-07 11:48:49]  Melody Regent: Adonis, they will not announce policy/price changes here, that is what the blog announcement will be for, that Jaack has promised us before the end of the month
[2010-01-07 11:49:12]  Jack Linden: Adonis, that’s a good question.. but it’s best that announcements like that go out through the blog. I can tell you that Q1 will be about fully launching Linden Homes, presuming the Beta continues to be successful.. We obviously have a bunch of land fixes to deal with from 1.38 server onwards..
[2010-01-07 11:49:18]  Charlene Trudeau: just getting my last .02 in before they deal with that blog post ;P
[2010-01-07 11:49:36]  Jack Linden: ..we also want to finally provide detailed data for landowners, something we’ve been wanting to do for a long while now
[2010-01-07 11:49:57]  Jack Linden: ..and script resource info, leading to script limits, by end of 2010
[2010-01-07 11:50:02]  Dytska Vieria: Jack, are there any more invites to the beta Linden Homes?
[2010-01-07 11:50:28]  LisaDeanna Zhora: hey you all.. thats three things there… dont over load the lindens… )
[2010-01-07 11:50:31]  Sarah Nerd: Anyone have a LM to those? I still haven’t checked them out
[2010-01-07 11:50:40]  Adonis Prinz: Brb Jack my gf just brought me food and is yellin at me
[2010-01-07 11:50:42]  Jack Linden: Dytska, we might do another wave of invites, yes. The Beta, to be honest, has been incredibly smooth so there haven’t been many issues to resolve
[2010-01-07 11:50:47]  Adonis Prinz: Dang SL lol
[2010-01-07 11:50:57]  Ciaran Laval: Ah just end the beta then Jack and give us our homes!
[2010-01-07 11:51:04]  Jack Linden: So we may be able to launch it sooner than expected
[2010-01-07 11:51:07]  Charlene Trudeau: so I should free up my alts’ land credits just in case?
[2010-01-07 11:51:15]  Charlene Trudeau: I’d love to get one of them in just to play
[2010-01-07 11:51:15]  Dytska Vieria wants one
[2010-01-07 11:51:26]  Jack Linden: hehe Ciaran
[2010-01-07 11:51:29]  Melody Regent: I tried to get one and was told I was not invited
[2010-01-07 11:51:37]  Melody Regent: lol, keep the land barrons out
[2010-01-07 11:51:49]  Arwen Daviau: lol
[2010-01-07 11:51:57]  Dirk Klees: Are you homeless Melody?
[2010-01-07 11:52:08]  Jack Linden: Are there any new themes for Linden Homes that you think we should consider?
[2010-01-07 11:52:17]  Melody Regent: Doesnt mean I dont want the 512
[2010-01-07 11:52:26]  Melody Regent: I pay for the membership, give me the perk
[2010-01-07 11:52:29]  Driftwood Miles: Tiki
[2010-01-07 11:52:30]  Marianne McCann: Nascera trailer park
[2010-01-07 11:52:33]  LisaDeanna Zhora: themes? as in?
[2010-01-07 11:52:34]  Marianne McCann winks
[2010-01-07 11:52:35]  LisaDeanna Zhora: hot rod yah
[2010-01-07 11:52:37]  RE Water World: RE Water World @ MLCC 93, 60, 23 – Hazey Rayna paid L$8000. They now have 8 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes and 48 seconds remaining on their tier.
[2010-01-07 11:52:44]  Jack Linden: trailer park?
[2010-01-07 11:52:50]  Marianne McCann: kidding
[2010-01-07 11:52:52]  Marianne McCann grins
[2010-01-07 11:52:54]  Jack Linden:
[2010-01-07 11:52:54]  Driftwood Miles: Gippos
[2010-01-07 11:52:56]  Melody Regent: yeah Jack, yanno… White trash trailer
[2010-01-07 11:53:06]  Opensource Obscure: themes: something cyberpunkish. there is always a target for that
[2010-01-07 11:53:06]  Charlene Trudeau: as long as they get prim hungry, you can have all the themes you want, Jack
[2010-01-07 11:53:08]  Melody Regent: I am not kidding, we had them and we had a FOREVER waiting list
[2010-01-07 11:53:09]  LisaDeanna Zhora: Not a trailer park, there is enough of those around (laggy sims) no need for more
[2010-01-07 11:53:12]  Sarah Nerd: I grew up in a traler
[2010-01-07 11:53:14]  Dytska Vieria: Igloos, Jack
[2010-01-07 11:53:29]  Dirk Klees: Smurf houses
[2010-01-07 11:53:29]  Seattle LeShelle: yup trailors, air streams rv’s retro looking
[2010-01-07 11:53:40]  Melody Regent: put out a few chickens with the trailers. Prok will be able to get you some
[2010-01-07 11:53:40]  Marianne McCann: It would actually be kinda cool
[2010-01-07 11:53:41]  Melody Regent:
[2010-01-07 11:53:56]  Trouble Streeter twitches at mention of chickens
[2010-01-07 11:54:05]  Driftwood Miles: Houseboats
[2010-01-07 11:54:07]  Marianne McCann: Maybe something european in feel? cobblestone streets and whatever
[2010-01-07 11:54:13]  Dirk Klees: but then, include a free BBQ set
[2010-01-07 11:54:24]  Jack Linden: houseboats is a nice idea. i wonder how that would work with so many close togethr
[2010-01-07 11:54:24]  Equinox Pinion: pandora homes
[2010-01-07 11:54:26]  LisaDeanna Zhora: and a wicker chair too?
[2010-01-07 11:54:27]  Jack Linden: *together
[2010-01-07 11:54:44]  Melody Regent: same way anything else already works so close
[2010-01-07 11:54:45]  Timo Daehlie: visit Amsterdam to see jack
[2010-01-07 11:54:51]  Dytska Vieria: Alpine cabins
[2010-01-07 11:54:53]  Melody Regent: you ever seen a marrina? They are close
[2010-01-07 11:55:08]  Driftwood Miles: it would work I think…be a cool theme
[2010-01-07 11:55:25]  Melody Regent: you can do an urban setting with highrises, lots of penthouses
[2010-01-07 11:55:39]  Arwen Daviau: Tree houses like a swiss family robbinson theme
[2010-01-07 11:55:43]  Charlene Trudeau: here’s something from the concierge group:
[2010-01-07 11:55:44]  Charlene Trudeau: [11:53] Daryl Rubble: my question is, What is it they are planning to do with the “Copybotters”
[11:53] Daryl Rubble: It seems like the copybotting is geting worse insted of better
[2010-01-07 11:55:45]  Sarah Nerd: Time to get my kids from school. *waves*
[2010-01-07 11:55:50]  LisaDeanna Zhora: a zoo theme maybe?
[2010-01-07 11:55:56]  Melody Regent: wait… are we doing Lindens job? Give me my 512 and I will give you more
[2010-01-07 11:55:58]  Ciaran Laval: Bye Sarah
[2010-01-07 11:56:05]  Timo Daehlie: ciao Sarah
[2010-01-07 11:56:06]  Jack Linden: hehe Melody
[2010-01-07 11:56:10]  Jack Linden: by esarah
[2010-01-07 11:56:11]  Driftwood Miles: Bye
[2010-01-07 11:56:12]  Arwen Daviau: lol Melody
[2010-01-07 11:56:14]  Driftwood Miles: Flintstones
[2010-01-07 11:56:22]  Marianne McCann: Charlene – you mean like when Nyx Linden’s avatar was ‘botted during an office hour the other day by another Resident?
[2010-01-07 11:56:28]  Dirk Klees: Flintstones sounds cool
[2010-01-07 11:56:30]  Ciaran Laval: Jack who can we poke about getting group liabilities turned off by default for the everyone role?
[2010-01-07 11:56:37]  Adonis Prinz: ah man Jack what did you do to sarah lol
[2010-01-07 11:56:40]  Adonis Prinz: im back
[2010-01-07 11:56:42]  Charlene Trudeau: well, yeah, but mostly when they copybot creations and resell
[2010-01-07 11:56:45]  Jack Linden: Ciaran, is there a pJira for that?
[2010-01-07 11:56:50]  Ciaran Laval: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378
[2010-01-07 11:56:57]  Trouble Streeter goes to vote
[2010-01-07 11:57:05]  Charlene Trudeau: sorry, but I’m not too concerned about someone who harrasses a linden, they’ll get immediate repercusions
[2010-01-07 11:57:07]  LisaDeanna Zhora: dang, on the ball ther ciaran!
[2010-01-07 11:57:16]  Jack Linden: that’s the best way then Ciaran.. getting a good pJira will start the ball rolling
[2010-01-07 11:57:20]  Ciaran Laval: lol I was multitasking I’d just found it for someone else
[2010-01-07 11:57:28]  Melody Regent: I think we need to say that if someone is caught copybotting, LL should make thier RL info available so we can tar and feather… just say. Mkay
[2010-01-07 11:57:43]  Adonis Prinz: lol
[2010-01-07 11:57:56]  LisaDeanna Zhora: and whos to tar them mel? lol
[2010-01-07 11:58:03]  LisaDeanna Zhora: oh i seeit now
[2010-01-07 11:58:04]  LisaDeanna Zhora: nvm
[2010-01-07 11:58:18]  Melody Regent: I will, my uncle owns an asphalt factory
[2010-01-07 11:58:22]  Melody Regent: I can et a discount
[2010-01-07 11:58:33]  LisaDeanna Zhora: hot dogs… Ill join in on that !
[2010-01-07 11:58:35]  Qie Niangao: Melody *knows* people.
[2010-01-07 11:58:41]  Arwen Daviau: your to kind Meloday i say public hangings, lol
[2010-01-07 11:58:42]  Jack Linden: that’s a little spooky
[2010-01-07 11:58:54]  Melody Regent: I learned at long time ago, its not What you know, but WHO you know
[2010-01-07 11:59:00]  Adonis Prinz: ok so Jack I didnt read blog can you at least tell us,, If you guys are seeing alert here and immediate need to make adjustments in price, policy, Scripts and fast? and are working on it definitely
[2010-01-07 11:59:01]  LisaDeanna Zhora: thats to harsh and quick Arwen
[2010-01-07 11:59:10]  Charlene Trudeau: which, Jack? copybot is hurting. I know a lot of creators that have or are thinking about just giving up
[2010-01-07 11:59:22]  Adonis Prinz: because my crazy gf is trying to get me to play SIMS with her and I cant take that
[2010-01-07 11:59:26]  LisaDeanna Zhora: indian style.. unside down and cut a knuckle off each day
[2010-01-07 11:59:32]  Charlene Trudeau: to try to protect themselves, clothing, hair, other attachments are being heavily scripted which adds to those script times we want to limit
[2010-01-07 11:59:37]  Jack Linden: Adonis, we’ve no plans to change prices.. but we intend to talk about that in a blog post soon
[2010-01-07 11:59:46]  Charlene Trudeau: I want mod, no script skirts
[2010-01-07 11:59:50]  Charlene Trudeau: and hair
[2010-01-07 11:59:55]  Adonis Prinz: hmm ok
[2010-01-07 12:00:06]  Charlene Trudeau: I don’t want to steal it but I don’t want to be a walking region killer either
[2010-01-07 12:00:08]  Jack Linden: Charlene, the Lab’s stance on copybotting hasn’t changed and we are building better tools to remove copied content
[2010-01-07 12:00:10]  Arwen Daviau: i have rp sims we have a big concern about script limits…
[2010-01-07 12:00:10]  LisaDeanna Zhora: Jack: what is this DEBUG on the righ click on avatar in ADMIN mode about?
[2010-01-07 12:00:15]  Equinox Pinion: jack…did you just give away something lol
[2010-01-07 12:00:17]  Adonis Prinz: that I have to agree jack I dont understand when world economy has taking a big plunge
[2010-01-07 12:00:23]  Adonis Prinz: with the others
[2010-01-07 12:00:24]  Motor Loon: Thats good news Jack
[2010-01-07 12:00:54]  Ciaran Laval: Agreed Arwen
[2010-01-07 12:00:56]  Arwen Daviau: thats great news jack
[2010-01-07 12:01:02]  Jack Linden: Hehe, I was just being clear that when we talk about the year, and what we will (or won’t) do with pricing..
[2010-01-07 12:01:12]  Equinox Pinion: sure..sure
[2010-01-07 12:01:17]  Jack Linden: ..it isn’t certain that there wil be a change to our previous plans
[2010-01-07 12:01:28]  Jack Linden: But as i said, we will talk more about that soon
[2010-01-07 12:01:31]  Jack Linden:
[2010-01-07 12:01:36]  Equinox Pinion:
[2010-01-07 12:01:39]  Adonis Prinz: jack how about a Secondlife Lottyer
[2010-01-07 12:01:41]  Adonis Prinz: Lottery
[2010-01-07 12:01:44]  Jack Linden: okay lovely people, I have to run.
[2010-01-07 12:01:50]  Ciaran Laval: Cheers Jack
[2010-01-07 12:01:50]  Qie Niangao: thanks Jack.
[2010-01-07 12:01:51]  LisaDeanna Zhora: you didnt get here until 10 after.. so you have 10 moreminutes to go
[2010-01-07 12:01:54]  Dirk Klees: Thanks Jack ㋡
[2010-01-07 12:01:59]  Arwen Daviau: lol Lisa
[2010-01-07 12:02:01]  Jack Linden: have to get to my next meeting.
[2010-01-07 12:02:02]  LisaDeanna Zhora:
[2010-01-07 12:02:02]  Equinox Pinion: lovely people? what did we do wrong lol
[2010-01-07 12:02:03]  Marianne McCann: Gotta scoot too, Have fun, all!
[2010-01-07 12:02:04]  Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
[2010-01-07 12:02:05]  LisaDeanna Zhora: thanks Jack
[2010-01-07 12:02:08]  Motor Loon: ok jack… next time wear your dress…
[2010-01-07 12:02:09]  Jack Linden: take care everyone, speak next time!
[2010-01-07 12:02:12]  Adonis Prinz: haha lisa
[2010-01-07 12:02:14]  Melody Regent: Run? Is that how you got ride of the ole lady that ate you?
[2010-01-07 12:02:15]  Alvi Halderman: ty Jack cya
[2010-01-07 12:02:15]  Equinox Pinion: bye jack…take care!
[2010-01-07 12:02:15]  Driftwood Miles: Thank you Jack
[2010-01-07 12:02:16]  Arwen Daviau: Thanks Jack
[2010-01-07 12:02:22]  Timo Daehlie: ciao Jack !
[2010-01-07 12:02:24]  Adonis Prinz: thanks jack
[2010-01-07 12:02:25]  Adonis Prinz: later
[2010-01-07 12:02:26]  Trouble Streeter: bye jack
[2010-01-07 12:02:28]  Talin Sands accepted your inventory offer.
[2010-01-07 12:02:30]  Timo Daehlie: and others
[2010-01-07 12:02:32]  Motor Loon: okies
[2010-01-07 12:02:36]  Arwen Daviau: bye all
[2010-01-07 12:02:39]  Dirk Klees: Bye ㋡
[2010-01-07 12:02:44]  Melody Regent: bya all, thank you for joining me today
[2010-01-07 12:02:45]  Adonis Prinz: I feel more discouraged
[2010-01-07 12:02:46]  Driftwood Miles: Bye all
[2010-01-07 12:02:47]  Trouble Streeter: time to go walk the streets of NYC some more…
[2010-01-07 12:02:47]  Equinox Pinion: bye all
[2010-01-07 12:02:52]  Adonis Prinz: I was coming for comfort lol
[2010-01-07 12:03:02]  Melody Regent: you came to the wrong meeting Adonis
[2010-01-07 12:03:08]  Adonis Prinz: lol haha yah
[2010-01-07 12:03:10]  Adonis Prinz: sigh
[2010-01-07 12:03:12]  Motor Loon grins
[2010-01-07 12:03:32]  Motor Loon slaps Mel’s ass and poofs
[2010-01-07 12:04:01]  Melody Regent: damn husband
[2010-01-07 12:04:09]  Melody Regent poofs after him

We will now be hosting transcripts of the linden meetings on this blog. Stay tuned for the latest info